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04 Oct 2019, 10:04 am

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I think the jury saw mitigating factors in the case and gave a light sentence.
Mitigating factor being? the victim was black and the room was dark??
She was tired and confused at the time
When was the last time you were so were tired and confused that you walked into your neighbor's home shot your neighbor?

My best guess would be "never".


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04 Oct 2019, 11:38 am

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Guilty of murder yet only gets 10 years.
Texas puts sentencing in the hands of the jury unlike most states where a judge does sentence.Texas gives jurors wide descretion in sentencing.

I think the jury saw mitigating factors in the case and gave a light sentence.


I think it is on the low end as far as what she could have gotten, but it is not unprecedented. I saw an article in the newspaper in which legal experts said that the sentence was in line with similar cases. Second degree murder usually doesn’t carry as harsh of a sentence as first degree murder.



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04 Oct 2019, 12:33 pm

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10 years seems a bit light, but I'd anticipate there's a good chance she'll be spending much of it in PC, because if they put her out in general she'll leave in a bag much sooner than anticipated.
Oh yeah, there is no way the put her in general population.
I also think the murder conviction will be knocked down to manslaughter on appeal.


How? She admitted intent to kill, that's murder plain and simple.


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04 Oct 2019, 1:26 pm

Going to jail as a cop doesn't bear thinking about. Every second of every day looking over your shoulder waiting for someone to attack you.



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04 Oct 2019, 2:13 pm

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10 years seems a bit light, but I'd anticipate there's a good chance she'll be spending much of it in PC, because if they put her out in general she'll leave in a bag much sooner than anticipated.
Oh yeah, there is no way the put her in general population.
I also think the murder conviction will be knocked down to manslaughter on appeal.


How? She admitted intent to kill, that's murder plain and simple.
She was in a dazed and confused state at the time of the shooting.


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04 Oct 2019, 2:14 pm

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Going to jail as a cop doesn't bear thinking about. Every second of every day looking over your shoulder waiting for someone to attack you.
I am sure they will put her in protective custody.


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04 Oct 2019, 4:54 pm

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Going to jail as a cop doesn't bear thinking about. Every second of every day looking over your shoulder waiting for someone to attack you.
I am sure they will put her in protective custody.
... where she can eat ice-cream while watching TV with her back to the door...


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04 Oct 2019, 11:41 pm

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10 years seems a bit light, but I'd anticipate there's a good chance she'll be spending much of it in PC, because if they put her out in general she'll leave in a bag much sooner than anticipated.
Oh yeah, there is no way the put her in general population.
I also think the murder conviction will be knocked down to manslaughter on appeal.


How? She admitted intent to kill, that's murder plain and simple.
She was in a dazed and confused state at the time of the shooting.


Does that make it any less intentional? Clearly she was in no state to be working as a police officer at all, but that doesn't make her any less of a murderer.


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04 Oct 2019, 11:41 pm

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Going to jail as a cop doesn't bear thinking about. Every second of every day looking over your shoulder waiting for someone to attack you.


Sounds like justice. :lol:


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05 Oct 2019, 3:00 am

funeralxempire wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
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10 years seems a bit light, but I'd anticipate there's a good chance she'll be spending much of it in PC, because if they put her out in general she'll leave in a bag much sooner than anticipated.
Oh yeah, there is no way the put her in general population.
I also think the murder conviction will be knocked down to manslaughter on appeal.


How? She admitted intent to kill, that's murder plain and simple.
She was in a dazed and confused state at the time of the shooting.


Does that make it any less intentional? Clearly she was in no state to be working as a police officer at all, but that doesn't make her any less of a murderer.
She was clearly not in her right mind at the time of the shooting.


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05 Oct 2019, 3:07 am

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I think the jury saw mitigating factors in the case and gave a light sentence.


Mitigating factor being? the victim was black and the room was dark??


She's lactose intolerant, so the ice cream constituted a deadly weapon.


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05 Oct 2019, 4:57 am

vermontsavant wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
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10 years seems a bit light, but I'd anticipate there's a good chance she'll be spending much of it in PC, because if they put her out in general she'll leave in a bag much sooner than anticipated.
Oh yeah, there is no way the put her in general population.
I also think the murder conviction will be knocked down to manslaughter on appeal.


How? She admitted intent to kill, that's murder plain and simple.
She was in a dazed and confused state at the time of the shooting.


Does that make it any less intentional? Clearly she was in no state to be working as a police officer at all, but that doesn't make her any less of a murderer.
She was clearly not in her right mind at the time of the shooting.


What exactly tipped her over the edge, working her shift? She must not've had the best mind to begin with if that's all it took. I hope the family sues the department.


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05 Oct 2019, 7:47 am

Persephone29 wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
10 years seems a bit light, but I'd anticipate there's a good chance she'll be spending much of it in PC, because if they put her out in general she'll leave in a bag much sooner than anticipated.
Oh yeah, there is no way the put her in general population.
I also think the murder conviction will be knocked down to manslaughter on appeal.


How? She admitted intent to kill, that's murder plain and simple.
She was in a dazed and confused state at the time of the shooting.


Does that make it any less intentional? Clearly she was in no state to be working as a police officer at all, but that doesn't make her any less of a murderer.
She was clearly not in her right mind at the time of the shooting.


What exactly tipped her over the edge, working her shift? She must not've had the best mind to begin with if that's all it took. I hope the family sues the department.
She obviously had a lot of head problems to begin with,I just don't believe she walked into that apartment wanting to kill someone.She was in some sort of fog or daze.Why else would she have walked into the wrong apartment.


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05 Oct 2019, 4:45 pm

vermontsavant wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
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10 years seems a bit light, but I'd anticipate there's a good chance she'll be spending much of it in PC, because if they put her out in general she'll leave in a bag much sooner than anticipated.
Oh yeah, there is no way the put her in general population.
I also think the murder conviction will be knocked down to manslaughter on appeal.


How? She admitted intent to kill, that's murder plain and simple.
She was in a dazed and confused state at the time of the shooting.


Does that make it any less intentional? Clearly she was in no state to be working as a police officer at all, but that doesn't make her any less of a murderer.
She was clearly not in her right mind at the time of the shooting.


I'm sure a lot of murderers would claim that after breaking into other people's homes and killing them. Some of those folks are awaiting execution. I don't support the death penalty, but I fail to see how she doesn't deserve to spend the rest of her natural life behind bars for first degree murder. Whether it's because she was stressed or sleepy or too distracted by her giny tingles isn't relevant to her actions.


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05 Oct 2019, 6:34 pm

Do a thought experiment.

Imagine if both she and the victim were Black.

Imagine if they were both White.

Would your thinking on the issue change at all?

Just a thought.

I had been catching the tail of the end of the story on TV, and somehow got it into my head that she was also Black. So that was my mental image of the story ( a Black lady cop goes into the wrong apartment and shoots a Black guy whom she thought was an intruder) until I finally caught the whole story. Wasn't sure how to react to the pathetically sad story either way.



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05 Oct 2019, 6:41 pm

The closest thing to this that I can think of off the top of my head is the case of Oscar Pastorious.

He is the famous White South African athlete who is now doing time for mistakenly killing his girlfriend whom he thought was an intruder by blindly firing a gun several times through the door of his own home's bathroom, and then opening the door and finding her riddled with bullets.

Post Apartheid South Africa has racial tensions at least as bad as the US. But this time both the vic and the perp were White.

They convicted him. He originally got six years. But a higher court gave him 15. First a little lower, and then a little higher, than the ten years that Guyger got. Just something to compare this to.