A banana taped to a wall is now 'art'

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08 Dec 2019, 8:35 am

'Fountain' by Marcel Duchamp - 1917. Duchamp influenced many artists. His 'Nude Descending a Staircase No.2' far surpasses anything that Picasso or Braque produced.

As the original was lost, it's a replica that sits in the Tate Gallery.

It's my understanding that Jackson Pollack drew his inspiration from the nature of chaotic motion and his canvases were an attempt at mathematical representations of that chaos.

Edit: For all those disparaging modern art, bear in mind it was the impressionists who opened the door.

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08 Dec 2019, 8:44 am

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I’m not bothered by the notion of a banana being duct taped to a wall and called art. I think it’s odd and not for me but whatever floats your boat! There are worse things a person could spend $120,000 on. Even if a person spends $120,000 on a “nice” work of art (whatever that means), it’s not going to feed starving children or provide people with needed medical care.

I like lots of different art periods and forms including modernist art, especially Surrealism and Abstract Expressionism, but a banana taped to a wall is probably further out there than I could go.

I probably also wouldn’t want Duchamp’s Fountain which is an actual urinal that’s been flipped upside down, but that’s just me. I enjoy some of Duchamp’s other works, though.

I think the reason that it is in dispute here about the 120K is not only about spending money on artwork that could have been spent on food for the poor, but also about how easy it is to duplicate this particular idea. Case in point, if I ask you to make me a forgery of the Mona Lisa, you are looking at a couple of weeks to a month to create a forgery and deserve a reasonable amount of compensation for your work. For this work, I could spend about ten minutes looking around a bed, bath, and beyond for some ceramic bananas and grab a roll of duct tape out of my garage and make ten duplicates in less than a day for about fifty bucks. Less time and money if I buy fresh bananas at the grocery store.

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08 Dec 2019, 8:45 am

Is that a urinal?

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08 Dec 2019, 8:46 am

TheRevengeofTW1ZTY wrote:

Is that a urinal?

Yes, flipped over.

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08 Dec 2019, 8:47 am

TheRevengeofTW1ZTY wrote:

Is that a urinal?

Yes, that is a urinal.

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08 Dec 2019, 8:49 am

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I’m still not sure what’s wrong with that as long as it’s not my money that’s being spent.

People are free to blow their money in any way they see fit (as long as it’s legal).

Is it that we wish that we could come across money that easily?

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08 Dec 2019, 8:57 am

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I genuinenly do wish people would spend that kind of money towards bettering their communities.

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08 Dec 2019, 8:58 am

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Edit: For all those disparaging modern art, bear in mind it was the impressionists who opened the door.

You are right about that. Good point!

Another thing to mention is that after photography came along capturing realism was not as important as it once was. It freed artists up to do other things, to express thoughts and feelings outside of a narrowly, representational format.

Of course, then we have Freud and the importance of dream states and the unconscious mind that was such an important source of inspiration for Surrealists

We also had WWI which flipped people’s notion of the world and their place in it upside down which inspired Dadaists.

I think modernist art can be more meaningful when one considers the overall context. Art is an ongoing dialogue between the artists and history, their current cultural experience, and with other artists. Fascinating stuff!

With that being said, I still don’t want a banana duct taped to my wall.

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08 Dec 2019, 9:00 am

TheRevengeofTW1ZTY wrote:

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Bravo5150 wrote:

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I genuinenly do wish people would spend that kind of money towards bettering their communities.

Maybe the person who bought the banana does that, too.

We know Bill Gates has a mansion and lavish lifestyle but his humanitarian work is beyond reproach.

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08 Dec 2019, 9:15 am

I heard somewhere that it's pretty much an open secret in the industry that modern "art" is just a giant con, a scheme for rich people to exchange money and favours with a thin veneer of legitimacy. Stuff like this certainly feeds into that idea.

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08 Dec 2019, 9:21 am

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Modern art encompasses a huge amount of work.

I really doubt there’s this massive conspiracy going on.

I also “heard somewhere” that the earth was flat.

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08 Dec 2019, 9:22 am

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Kinda like all those 'charities'. The rich are simply looking for a cure... for their tax problems. :lol:

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08 Dec 2019, 9:32 am

Twilightprincess wrote:

Wolfram87 wrote:

Modern art encompasses a massive amount of work.

I really doubt there’s this massive conspiracy going on.

I also “heard somewhere” that the earth was flat.

Thing is, it wouldn't need a "massive conspiracy". CEO-Bob and CEO-Dick go golfing together and one says to the other "Hey, my company is interested in that contract your company put out. Reccomend us for it and I'll buy that artwork your wife is exhibiting for piles of money". With the sums of money involved and the number of unscrupulous people in the world, it isn't hard to see how this may well make up a significant portion of the art industry, obviously to the detriment of actual art people.

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08 Dec 2019, 9:38 am

Wolfram87 wrote:

Twilightprincess wrote:

Wolfram87 wrote:

Modern art encompasses a massive amount of work.

I really doubt there’s this massive conspiracy going on.

I also “heard somewhere” that the earth was flat.

The art world has never been fair. Plenty of artists, writers, and innovators weren’t discovered until after their deaths. A lot depended on the support of wealthy or political patrons, too.

There’s nothing new or more immoral going on here.

People can still buy or not buy works that they enjoy (or don’t).

If anything, it’s somewhat easier now because people can find almost any style of art they enjoy online and buy work from that artist.

Most people aren’t buying bananas duct taped to walls. It’s on the news because it’s sensational.

Here are some artists who are currently considered buzz-worthy:

https://thebluereview.net/19-artists-yo ... 78b01d310d

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08 Dec 2019, 3:04 pm

TheRevengeofTW1ZTY wrote:

Is that a urinal?

It's a squatty potty now.

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08 Dec 2019, 3:45 pm

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Pretty neuvoriche, if you ask me.

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