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29 Dec 2019, 10:19 am

A JW is basically someone who follows a group of old dudes (the Governing Body). If someone doesn’t follow the GB, that person is not considered a JW and could be disfellowshipped, but there have been some who still considered themselves JWs even if they disagree with the GB, so it gets tricky.

The FLDS probably don’t use the internet too much so it’s hard to know what they think. They could potentially consider themselves “real” Mormons and all the other sects fake.

The fact that they use the BoM is pretty telling in my opinion as is the title FLDS.


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29 Dec 2019, 10:23 am

EzraS wrote:
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Mainstream Mormons say that the fundamentalists aren’t Mormons because the LDS Church no longer endorses polygamy and excommunicates members who practice it.

Still, early Mormons practiced polygamy. FLDSers are just trying to get back to those roots - the Good Ol’ Days, right guys? Who wants to have 3 wives all of whom wear pastel-colored prairie dresses?

Anyway, they are clearly fundamentalist Mormons no matter how much the LDS Church dislikes this reminder of the past.


Maybe the idea of multiple wives explains why Ezra said above you how there were many BoM in Las Vegas thrift stores for sale.


I just figured there are a lot of Morons there because Nevada borders Utah.


I would think Vegas would be more likely home to exmormons than practicing Mormons. Mormons are usually very much against having vices, while Vegas is home to almost any vice you can name.


Minus the Vegas Strip and Fremont Street, Vegas is pretty much just an ordinary city like Phoenix. There are LDS churches all over the place there. Lots of Mormon missionaries zipping around on bicycles.


I’d imagine that proselytizing to someone who lost everything in a gambling spree could be potentially effective...

Anyway, I’d agree that the locale is due to its proximity to Utah. People don’t want to move from family and friends.


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29 Dec 2019, 10:36 am

They have roots in Las Vegas. The oldest structure there is a 19th century Mormon fort. Which I visited on a school field trip.

"Mormon missionaries arrived on June 14, 1855 and selected a site, along one of the creeks that flowed from the Las Vegas Springs, on which they would build the fort. The fort served as the midpoint on the trail between Salt Lake City, Utah and Los Angeles, California."

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29 Dec 2019, 11:04 am

EzraS wrote:
They have roots in Las Vegas. The oldest structure there is a 19th century Mormon fort. Which I visited on a school field trip.

"Mormon missionaries arrived on June 14, 1855 and selected a site, along one of the creeks that flowed from the Las Vegas Springs, on which they would build the fort. The fort served as the midpoint on the trail between Salt Lake City, Utah and Los Angeles, California."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Las_V ... toric_Park
I bet you didn't know Brigham Young was born in Whitingham,Vermont


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29 Dec 2019, 2:52 pm

They got to Utah in the 1840s.



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29 Dec 2019, 2:59 pm

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What do THEY consider themselves?

Hasidic Jews don’t consider Jew of other sects “true Jews.”


I figure it's the same thing more or less. I think there is an Islam version of that too. And then the Baha'i Faith believe they are the next step in Islam. Like Christianity is viewed by Christians as the next step in Judaism.


That seems to be the relationship Mormonism in general has with Christianity, but it's not limited to any specific sect of Mormonism. It's a little more complicated though because Mormons consider themselves Christians, but followers of Baha'i don't view themselves as Muslims and followers of Christianity don't typically view themselves as part of the Jewish faith.


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29 Dec 2019, 3:16 pm

vermontsavant wrote:
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They have roots in Las Vegas. The oldest structure there is a 19th century Mormon fort. Which I visited on a school field trip.

"Mormon missionaries arrived on June 14, 1855 and selected a site, along one of the creeks that flowed from the Las Vegas Springs, on which they would build the fort. The fort served as the midpoint on the trail between Salt Lake City, Utah and Los Angeles, California."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Las_V ... toric_Park
I bet you didn't know Brigham Young was born in Whitingham,Vermont


I did not know that.



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29 Dec 2019, 3:18 pm

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They got to Utah in the 1840s.

I heard they went into Utah because they figured no one would bother them way out in the desert wilderness.



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29 Dec 2019, 3:26 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
EzraS wrote:
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What do THEY consider themselves?

Hasidic Jews don’t consider Jew of other sects “true Jews.”


I figure it's the same thing more or less. I think there is an Islam version of that too. And then the Baha'i Faith believe they are the next step in Islam. Like Christianity is viewed by Christians as the next step in Judaism.


That seems to be the relationship Mormonism in general has with Christianity, but it's not limited to any specific sect of Mormonism. It's a little more complicated though because Mormons consider themselves Christians, but followers of Baha'i don't view themselves as Muslims and followers of Christianity don't typically view themselves as part of the Jewish faith.


That's a good point. I thought it was just another denomination of Christianity, until I looked through a Book of Mormon a few years ago. As a history buff I was pretty surprised with its depictions of civilizations that supposedly existed in North America.



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29 Dec 2019, 3:28 pm

EzraS wrote:
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They got to Utah in the 1840s.

I heard they went into Utah because they figured no one would bother them way out in the desert wilderness.


How ironic, they start by moving to the middle of nowhere to not be bothered back then. Now it seems almost impossible for anyone to walk to their mailbox without being bothered by them.



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Bravo5150 wrote:
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They got to Utah in the 1840s.

I heard they went into Utah because they figured no one would bother them way out in the desert wilderness.


How ironic, they start by moving to the middle of nowhere to not be bothered back then. Now it seems almost impossible for anyone to walk to their mailbox without being bothered by them.


Lol quite true.



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29 Dec 2019, 7:43 pm

EzraS wrote:
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EzraS wrote:
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What do THEY consider themselves?

Hasidic Jews don’t consider Jew of other sects “true Jews.”


I figure it's the same thing more or less. I think there is an Islam version of that too. And then the Baha'i Faith believe they are the next step in Islam. Like Christianity is viewed by Christians as the next step in Judaism.


That seems to be the relationship Mormonism in general has with Christianity, but it's not limited to any specific sect of Mormonism. It's a little more complicated though because Mormons consider themselves Christians, but followers of Baha'i don't view themselves as Muslims and followers of Christianity don't typically view themselves as part of the Jewish faith.


That's a good point. I thought it was just another denomination of Christianity, until I looked through a Book of Mormon a few years ago. As a history buff I was pretty surprised with its depictions of civilizations that supposedly existed in North America.


There's a whole field of American pseudo-history dedicated to re-imagining indigenous people as somehow connected to the lost tribes of Israel, re-imagining black Americans as indigenous to the Americas, etc. Some of the groups known for the antisemitism also seem to be among the ones most fixated on claiming descent from those lost tribes.

I imagine a lot of this is driven by northern Europeans and sub-Saharan Africans both being mostly ignored in writings that date to the bronze age and early iron age, what with those regions being illiterate at the time and all. Why settle for accepting being left out of archaic epics when you can just invent your own? I find these sort of invented and speculative histories really interesting even if they're not real in any objective sense. Just in general this era (1850s - 1914) seems to be big on elevating romantic imagined visions of the past to a level of importance real history often only wishes it got.


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01 Jan 2020, 7:16 pm

Didn't the Mormons make Battlestar Galactica?


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Didn't the Mormons make Battlestar Galactica?


No, that was L. Ron's space-mormons.


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