Trump withholding funds to W.H.O.
It's just like steering a buss off a cliff out of spite.
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A fat lot of good any of this was.
Strengthening health security by implementing the International Health Regulations (2005)
https://www.who.int/ihr/publications/9789241580496/en/
Things we're supposed to change after the Sars outbreak. None of it's law, it's all recommendations, it's been useless. It's pages of waffle about how states are going to cooperate, how airports will respond, the responsibilities of the Director General. None of it has done any good.
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communication available, by way of the National IHR Focal Point, and within 24 hours of assessment
of public health information, of all events which may constitute a public health emergency of
international concern within its territory
*Dec. 30: Ai Fen, a top director at Wuhan Central Hospital, posts information on WeChat about the new virus. She was reprimanded for doing so.
1. Each State Party shall develop, strengthen and maintain, as soon as possible but no later than five years from the entry into force of these Regulations for that State Party, the capacity to detect,
assess, notify and report events in accordance with these Regulation
*2005
1. States Parties shall take all practicable measures consistent with these Regulations to ensure that
conveyance operators:
(a) comply with the health measures recommended by WHO and adopted by the State Party;
(b) inform travellers of the health measures recommended by WHO and adopted by the State
Party for application on board; and
(c) permanently keep conveyances for which they are responsible free of sources of infection
*430,000 People Have Traveled From China to U.S. Since Coronavirus Surfaced
(a) whether an event constitutes a public health emergency of international concern;
*114 countries affected by the time WHO announces pandemic
*Trump repeatedly praised China's response to coronavirus in February
*Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus praised the ‘transparency’ of China’s response to the outbreak
In Canada there have been a few deplorable stories coming about from how some seniors homes and long-term care facilities are operated. Management has jumped ship in some cases, bodies found, residents sitting in filth, staff walkouts except for a few who stayed behind.
There are many things that will need to be explained when this is all over. It's easy to assign blame but I think it's a systemic problem. Corporate greed, the low wage, part-time/multiple job situations that many healthcare workers are in - job security affects your willingness to speak up. Lack of political will. Much of this comes down to money - not a popular subject pre-virus.
And I think a lot of the Trump/China stuff has to do with appeasement and self-interest rather than an interest in a pandemic. There has been a trade war and wrestling to see who's top dog for a long time now. I'm trying not to take sides - but it was all a sh*t storm. As much as many distrust China they have a history of (good or bad) getting things done. We wanted the virus to be contained. We had no choice but to put faith that this would be over soon.
Even with early deployment numbers would be the same, just at a later date. Mortality rates have been pretty much consistent no matter who you are or where you live. The only thing we can do is wait it out - a combination of herd immunity or a vaccine or more effective treatment plans. Like was stated at the beginning of this crisis.
"Just had a long and very good conversation by phone with President Xi of China. He is strong, sharp and powerfully focused on leading the counterattack on the Coronavirus. He feels they are doing very well, even building hospitals in a matter of only days. Nothing is easy, but..."
"....he will be successful, especially as the weather starts to warm & the virus hopefully becomes weaker, and then gone. Great discipline is taking place in China, as President Xi strongly leads what will be a very successful operation. We are working closely with China to help!"
Anyone want to guess who sent these three Tweets? It wasn't the head of the WHO.
More statements from Trump praising China's response at: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/25/poli ... index.html
Now of course he was wrong, but his attack on the WHO is a naked and frankly evil attempt to distract from his own failings. I have some sympathy for those failings. I have zero sympathy for his attack on the world's health.
WHO takes what Trump says seriously?
He is a "pathological" liar.
And anything goes in politics, on both sides of the political divide.
Your point is moot.
Yes, he is using the situation to divert attention from his shambolic initial approach to the coronavirus crisis,
But what he is saying here, that the W.H.O. needs to be scrutinised, is valid, based on the information I have.
This is the message that people need to remember.
I prefer to use my own knowledge and wisdom garnered from reliable sources.
Trump is *not* a reliable source.
It just so happens that what he is saying here is in sympathy with more enlightened minds.
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Strengthening health security by implementing the International Health Regulations (2005)
https://www.who.int/ihr/publications/9789241580496/en/
Things we're supposed to change after the Sars outbreak. None of it's law, it's all recommendations, it's been useless. It's pages of waffle about how states are going to cooperate, how airports will respond, the responsibilities of the Director General. None of it has done any good.
Any objective individual would take this into consideration.
The World Health Organization (WHO) has only a weak, non-binding dispute-resolution mechanism, but China’s failure to promptly report the coronavirus outbreak to the organization violated the International Health Regulations, which require states to notify the WHO of potential public-health emergencies “of international concern.”
In fact, China has used its financial war chest to manipulate the WHO. China’s annual funding of the organization, which relies on voluntary donations, has increased to $86 million since 2014 (a rise of 52 percent). The WHO’s director general, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, has praised China’s leadership for its “openness to share information” with the international community and stated that China “has bought the world time” regarding the coronavirus. In January, the WHO parroted China’s line that there was no “clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel coronavirus.” The WHO has also followed the Chinese line on Taiwan, excluding it from membership and barring it from COVID-19 response meetings. While some scholars have suggested that a larger budget would make the WHO more effective, the Trump administration has rightly halved America’s contribution. Not only has the WHO become a Chinese client, but it also spends $200 million a year on luxury travel. The U.S. should investigate the WHO and its director general and expose their ties with China.
https://www.institutmontaigne.org/en/blog/fighting-coronavirus-pandemic-chinas-influence-world-health-organization
Because Ms. Margaret Chan, former director of health of the Hong Kong SAR and the first PRC national to run a UN agency (from 2006 to 2017), and because of the insistence by China’s public diplomacy on human welfare, it has often been said that WHO was directly under Chinese influence: this only shows in the success of China’s campaign to curtail participation of Taiwan. Ms. Chan’s two mandates were lackluster, marked by some polemics at the time of Ebola, by a strange episode of praise for North Korea’s health system, and by several stands against Taiwan for not “respecting” fully the “One China” principle. Ms. Chan’s election in 2006 was the last one to be run with WHO’s Executive Board’s pre-selection of a single candidate, the members of the organization were then asked to ratify this choice. By contrast, in 2017 the members of WHO chose along a panel of 3 pre-selected candidates, and Tedros came ahead with 133 votes out of 186 – a margin that even China’s influence cannot explain, but that has to do with his status as representing “the global South”.
Once affiliated with Ethiopia’s Liberation Front, Tedros has been educated in infectiology and malaria prevention. He has been a minister of foreign affairs and minister of health, and cuts a much more flamboyant figure than Ms. Chan. Indeed, he comes from a country and a continent that is easily critical of Western actors, yet he has gone down well with many private health donors. During the current crisis, he has defended his praise of Beijing by the need to obtain cooperation. Yet it took WHO a month and a half – between China’s first report to WHO of an “unknown illness” and February 13 – to send a full expert WHO mission on the ground in China, and with very limited access to Wuhan
Wot he said.
Trump withholding funds to the World Health Organisation!
Hoowa!
'quick, look over there!'
Yep, but the W.H.O. needs to be scrutinised.
*That* is the important message.
Trump is allowing the focus on the organisation's "failings",
And that is a damned good thing.
"Quick, look over there!"
And you will miss the importance of what is, errr, important.
Regardless of WHO is yapping,
Regardless of their personal self-interest,
The message needs to be voiced,
Where the W.H.O has failed us,
To mitigate the possible re-emergence of this scourge,
As a result of undue political influences perverting the facts,
And crippling early responses.
I thank you.
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<Exit stage centre>
In a parallel development, at least one university has closed its "Confucius Institute." The Chinese government funded the creation of "Confucius Institutes" at universities all across the US, and university presidents, always willing to sell themselves for cash, were delighted. But the Confucius Institutes are actually thinly disguised communist propaganda units that have been inserted into the US higher ed system. I expect more of them will be closing soon.
Quick!
Dig up Joseph McCarthy.
The reds are literally under the beds!.
I think McCarthy was right.
I was researching what TRUMP knew and when ... this is interesting ...
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/trump ... ronavirus/
TRUMP:
Jan. 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.” — Trump in a CNBC interview.
Jan. 30: “We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five — and those people are all recuperating successfully. But we’re working very closely with China and other countries, and we think it’s going to have a very good ending for us … that I can assure you.” — Trump in a speech in Michigan.
Feb. 10: “Now, the virus that we’re talking about having to do — you know, a lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat — as the heat comes in. Typically, that will go away in April. We’re in great shape though. We have 12 cases — 11 cases, and many of them are in good shape now.” — Trump at the White House. (See our item “Will the New Coronavirus ‘Go Away’ in April?“)
Feb. 14: “There’s a theory that, in April, when it gets warm — historically, that has been able to kill the virus. So we don’t know yet; we’re not sure yet. But that’s around the corner.” — Trump in speaking to National Border Patrol Council members.
Feb. 23: “We have it very much under control in this country.” — Trump in speaking to reporters.
Feb. 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!” — Trump in a tweet.
Feb. 26: “So we’re at the low level. As they get better, we take them off the list, so that we’re going to be pretty soon at only five people. And we could be at just one or two people over the next short period of time. So we’ve had very good luck.” — Trump at a White House briefing.
Feb. 26: “And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.” — Trump at a press conference.
Feb. 26: “I think every aspect of our society should be prepared. I don’t think it’s going to come to that, especially with the fact that we’re going down, not up. We’re going very substantially down, not up.” — Trump at a press conference, when asked if “U.S. schools should be preparing for a coronavirus spreading.”
Feb. 27: “It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.” — Trump at a White House meeting with African American leaders.
Feb. 29: “And I’ve gotten to know these professionals. They’re incredible. And everything is under control. I mean, they’re very, very cool. They’ve done it, and they’ve done it well. Everything is really under control.” — Trump in a speech at the CPAC conference outside Washington, D.C.
March 4: “[W]e have a very small number of people in this country [infected]. We have a big country. The biggest impact we had was when we took the 40-plus people [from a cruise ship]. … We brought them back. We immediately quarantined them. But you add that to the numbers. But if you don’t add that to the numbers, we’re talking about very small numbers in the United States.” — Trump at a White House meeting with airline CEOs.
March 4: “Well, I think the 3.4% is really a false number.” — Trump in an interview on Fox News, referring to the percentage of diagnosed COVID-19 patients worldwide who had died, as reported by the World Health Organization. (See our item “Trump and the Coronavirus Death Rate.”)
March 7: “No, I’m not concerned at all. No, we’ve done a great job with it.” — Trump, when asked by reporters if he was concerned about the arrival of the coronavirus in the Washington, D.C., area.
March 9: “So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!” — Trump in a tweet.
March 10: “And we’re prepared, and we’re doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.” — Trump after meeting with Republican senators.
A day later, on March 11, the WHO declared the global outbreak a pandemic.
“This is a pandemic,” President Donald Trump said at a March 17 press conference.
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^Makes ya wonder how his name could even be allowed on the ballot come November after saying all that crap.
I saw a news report today that said just because trump said it doesn’t mean he can or will actually do it - just like a lot of other things he says. So until the $ actually stops being sent them the USA hasn’t defunded the WHO.
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I saw a news report today that said just because trump said it doesn’t mean he can or will actually do it - just like a lot of other things he says. So until the $ actually stops being sent them the USA hasn’t defunded the WHO.
There is an old adage which goes something like this:
Don't believe what is said.
Observe what is done.
In my mind,
Trump has no credibility. Meh.
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