Claim: Covid-19 "genetically engineered to target humans"

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22 Jan 2021, 9:51 pm

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People still eat and butcher monkeys despite AIDS.


The AIDs virus is not possible to catch via the digestive tract.

isn't the rectum part of the digestive tract? from mouth to tailpipe i was taught in tech school, was all digestive tract. our medical instructors called it "Anally Injected Death Syndrome."



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22 Jan 2021, 9:52 pm

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People still eat and butcher monkeys despite AIDS.


The AIDs virus is not possible to catch via the digestive tract.

Your mouth. Cunnilingus.


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22 Jan 2021, 9:57 pm

Please read the WHO website
According to the World Health Organization (WHO), HIV cannot be transmitted by water or food. In fact, HIV does not live long outside the human body. Even if the food (monkeys) contained small amounts of HIV-infected blood or semen, exposure to the air, heat from cooking, and stomach acid would destroy the virus.



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22 Jan 2021, 10:00 pm

Oh excuse me, you're right, C.
Apparently cut mouth sores make it slightly more probable if the meat wasn't cooked properly. Digestion destroys the virus and cooking too.


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22 Jan 2021, 10:01 pm

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Please read the WHO website
According to the World Health Organization (WHO), HIV cannot be transmitted by water or food. In fact, HIV does not live long outside the human body. Even if the food (monkeys) contained small amounts of HIV-infected blood or semen, exposure to the air, heat from cooking, and stomach acid would destroy the virus.

I just did. :'D


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22 Jan 2021, 10:03 pm

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cyberdad wrote:
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People still eat and butcher monkeys despite AIDS.


The AIDs virus is not possible to catch via the digestive tract.

isn't the rectum part of the digestive tract? from mouth to tailpipe i was taught in tech school, was all digestive tract. our medical instructors called it "Anally Injected Death Syndrome."

Good observation


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22 Jan 2021, 10:20 pm

Rexi wrote:
Oh excuse me, you're right, C.
Apparently cut mouth sores make it slightly more probable if the meat wasn't cooked properly. Digestion destroys the virus and cooking too.


It's actually a problem because a number of research publications claim humans in Africa caught HIV from eating chimpanzee and monkeys who carry SIV which isn't supported by WHO? Sounds like lazy research.
https://www.theaidsinstitute.org/educat ... hiv-come-0

Amore likely scenario is that somebody was bitten by a chimp (this does happen) by a chimp with bleeding gums there was blood to blood transmission



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22 Jan 2021, 10:31 pm

That must explain why a bunch of gorillas in captivity (https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/01 ... oronavirus) tested positive for it. Also the reason why a pigeon in Australia (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-55660592) had to be put down.

But no, I'm sure this was part of a grand scheme to corrupt the rest of the world for China's benefit for whatever reason. Next conspiracy theory please.



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22 Jan 2021, 10:34 pm

I think we need to acknowledge how exactly COVID-19 and HIV crossed from animals into humans may never be known.



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23 Jan 2021, 3:28 am

Rexi wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
https://en.as.com/en/2020/09/15/latest_news/1600196698_232755.html

this one is official: https://lb.usembassy.gov/fact-sheet-act ... -virology/

The former has been rejected by the scientific community
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li-Meng_Y ... _community

The latter is a political statement made by the (now extinct) Trump administration.


SARS leaked from lab in China before .....TWICE!. What's so unbelievable about that it may have happened third time?

Not everything in the Trump era must be necessarily wrong or fabricated.


And those same WHO scientists have been advising people against the usage of masks(except health workers) for months before admitting their mistake.

So why would they keep quiet now? They came clean despite the consequences in the past. Even if it was asymptomatic they would recognize their virus.
Why would it be of the same strain with the original virus detected in bats? They can trace back the virus evolvements back to its first form. And that's undeniably in bats. That strand is directly contagious to humans, so it needn't have been necessarily modified in the lab within tests to contaminate humans.
And if it was a plan why would they release it on their own people to be easily detectable?

@blabby - it's not the markets, its hygiene and safety, illegalizing them will make people do it in worse conditions & unregulated, much like sex workers help decrease rape and illegal sex job risks. People still eat and butcher monkeys despite AIDS.

It can be easy to acknowledge conspiracy theories if you study them a bit. And religious conspiracy. Antivax ones. Illuminati. They even have labels now.
Yet is seems like an equally horrid virus is conspiracy.



I am not saying it is modified; it is that Chinese virologist who claims so; I just posted a news claim that’s all.

It is not 100% the same found in bats; it was found to be 96% similar...... In genetics a 4% difference is huge. It is probably among this 4% that gives it capability to enter human cells.

We share 99% of genome with chimps; can you say we are the same as chimps? Viruses probably have much less genes but the difference is still significant.



“Do the bats in my house have COVID-19? / Can I get COVID-19 from the bats in my house?

No, the virus that causes COVID-19 hasn’t been isolated from any of the UK’s 17 resident breeding bat species. There are no known zoonotic (harmful to humans) coronaviruses found in UK bats. In fact the COVID-19 virus hasn’t been isolated from any of the world’s 1400+ species of bat. A coronavirus with 96% of its genome in common with SARS-CoV-2 (2) has been found in a single species of bat (Rhinolophus affinis) in China. This may sound significant, but to put it in context, we share 96% of our genome with chimpanzees but we are not the same species. It is important to stress that in this pandemic it is humans that transmit COVID-19 to other humans, not bats”

https://www.bats.org.uk/about-bats/bats ... 9-and-bats

We will probably never know like what cyberdad said.



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23 Jan 2021, 3:48 am

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^ indeed the weapon theory makes no sense.


It makes no sense that they would release it deliberately in their own country, but biological weaponry has been and is being developed. It could still be accidental contamination, based "on my sources".
Only speculation, of course. :wink:



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23 Jan 2021, 3:51 am

Rexi wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
https://en.as.com/en/2020/09/15/latest_news/1600196698_232755.html

this one is official: https://lb.usembassy.gov/fact-sheet-act ... -virology/

The former has been rejected by the scientific community
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li-Meng_Y ... _community

The latter is a political statement made by the (now extinct) Trump administration.


SARS leaked from lab in China before .....TWICE!. What's so unbelievable about that it may have happened third time?

Not everything in the Trump era must be necessarily wrong or fabricated.


And those same WHO scientists have been advising people against the usage of masks(except health workers) for months before admitting their mistake.

So why would they keep quiet now? They came clean despite the consequences in the past. Even if it was asymptomatic they would recognize their virus.
Why would it be of the same strain with the original virus detected in bats? They can trace back the virus evolvements back to its first form. And that's undeniably in bats. That strand is directly contagious to humans, so it needn't have been necessarily modified in the lab within tests to contaminate humans.
And if it was a plan why would they release it on their own people to be easily detectable?


Precisely.



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23 Jan 2021, 10:51 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Rexi wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
https://en.as.com/en/2020/09/15/latest_news/1600196698_232755.html

this one is official: https://lb.usembassy.gov/fact-sheet-act ... -virology/

The former has been rejected by the scientific community
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li-Meng_Y ... _community

The latter is a political statement made by the (now extinct) Trump administration.


SARS leaked from lab in China before .....TWICE!. What's so unbelievable about that it may have happened third time?

Not everything in the Trump era must be necessarily wrong or fabricated.


And those same WHO scientists have been advising people against the usage of masks(except health workers) for months before admitting their mistake.

So why would they keep quiet now? They came clean despite the consequences in the past. Even if it was asymptomatic they would recognize their virus.
Why would it be of the same strain with the original virus detected in bats? They can trace back the virus evolvements back to its first form. And that's undeniably in bats. That strand is directly contagious to humans, so it needn't have been necessarily modified in the lab within tests to contaminate humans.
And if it was a plan why would they release it on their own people to be easily detectable?

@blabby - it's not the markets, its hygiene and safety, illegalizing them will make people do it in worse conditions & unregulated, much like sex workers help decrease rape and illegal sex job risks. People still eat and butcher monkeys despite AIDS.

It can be easy to acknowledge conspiracy theories if you study them a bit. And religious conspiracy. Antivax ones. Illuminati. They even have labels now.
Yet is seems like an equally horrid virus is conspiracy.



I am not saying it is modified; it is that Chinese virologist who claims so; I just posted a news claim that’s all.

It is not 100% the same found in bats; it was found to be 96% similar...... In genetics a 4% difference is huge. It is probably among this 4% that gives it capability to enter human cells.

We share 99% of genome with chimps; can you say we are the same as chimps? Viruses probably have much less genes but the difference is still significant.



“Do the bats in my house have COVID-19? / Can I get COVID-19 from the bats in my house?

No, the virus that causes COVID-19 hasn’t been isolated from any of the UK’s 17 resident breeding bat species. There are no known zoonotic (harmful to humans) coronaviruses found in UK bats. In fact the COVID-19 virus hasn’t been isolated from any of the world’s 1400+ species of bat. A coronavirus with 96% of its genome in common with it (2) has been found in a single species of bat affinis) in China. This may sound significant, but to put it in context, we share 96% of our genome with chimpanzees but we are not the same species. It is important to stress that in this pandemic it is humans that transmit COVID-19 to other humans, not bats”

https://www.bats.org.uk/about-bats/bats ... 9-and-bats

We will probably never know like what cyberdad said.

Okay, so that is that but covid mutates easily, 23 strands found in UK. Could have easily mutated and became transmittable.
There's no proof of lab tests with it, but there's a lot of proof to lean the balance towards cross species transmission.
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23 Jan 2021, 2:45 pm

Scientists from the Wuhan Institute of Virology have reportedly revealed they were bitten by infected bats while collecting samples in a cave. One researcher has reportedly claimed that the bat's fangs pierced through his rubber gloves "like a needle" and he started bleeding profusely, according to The Sun. The British newspaper reported how a video from two years ago appeared to show scientists breaching World Health Organisation safety guidelines as they worked on "live viruses" without masks.

This comes after it emerged that the scientist dubbed "Patient Zero" is still missing after having vanished from the lab at the start of the Covid-19 outbreak in Wuhan. As reported by The Sun, virus expert Huang Yanling was mentioned online in China after the very first worrying reports of the novel coronavirus emerged. Yanling was possibly the first of several working at the controversial lab who fell ill in the autumn of 2019, months before the Chinese government acknowledged the outbreak, according to State Department officials.

The WIV reportedly studies zoonotic diseases and the new report has sparked fears that the virus might have accidentally leaked during experiments. Researchers are seen on video collecting potentially highly-infectious bat feces samples with no personal protective equipment (PPE) other than gloves. One man is heard saying he was bitten by a bat and that it felt "like being jabbed with a needle." The footage also shows a person's limb swollen from another bite, while the narrator notes how bats can carry a number of potent viruses, according to the Taiwan Times.

Meanwhile, several experts fear the deadly contagion could have spread from another Chinese lab that housed over 600 bats that attacked and “peed on” researchers. An academic journal reportedly noted how one researcher at the Wuhan Center for Disease Control (WCDC) was urinated on and had also had bat blood on his skin. Titled ‘The possible origins of 2019-nCoV coronavirus’, the research paper mentioned one researcher JH Tian “was once attacked by bats” and that “the blood of bat was on his skin.” He was forced to quarantine himself for 28 days after the "bats peed on him," the journal reportedly states. The paper reads in part: "… the Chinese horseshoe bats were natural reservoirs for the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV) which caused the SARS outbreak in 2003."

Source: Wuhan lab scientist was bitten by bat as he collected samples days before first Covid-19 report.

Here is a link to the video: BAT OUT OF HELL Wuhan Covid ‘lab leak’ scientists were ‘BITTEN by bats and sprayed with blood before ‘patient zero’ infected the world’

Now this article was published in [b]The Sun which has gained a reputation for running sensationalist stories of questionable veracity.[/b] So rather than attack the veracity of the publication offhand, it is better to review the veracity of the narrative.


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23 Jan 2021, 3:26 pm

^ How reliable Sun is tho? I heard it's yellow journalism.

These bats sound so pissed off! **take that, f*****g scientists **



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23 Jan 2021, 3:29 pm

Were they looking for viruses in wild bats? or looking for test subjects?

Surely they would have known what thickness of gloves to use with bats?