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04 Jul 2021, 6:43 pm

IMHO "deconstruct the police" and "reform the police" are slightly better slogans.



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04 Jul 2021, 6:44 pm

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What BLM wants to dismantle is the ingrained racism in American society. I think this is the primary reason why so many oppose them.

the right simultaneously denies the existence of racism/classism/ableism, denies that there is anything wrong with racism/classism/ableism, denies that they have anything to do with racism/classism/ableism. it is all a big gaslit mess they have made.


You are engaging in a binary position, once again.
It is/was in the WP rulz not to generalise the way you have done here. 8)



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04 Jul 2021, 6:46 pm

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It's like something out of 1984 or a cartoon.

Let's give the organization a blatantly, overtly positive name that really has nothing to do with the end goal. People will support the organization based on the name! And it worked.

A concept sounds good. Using the name of the concept for a questionable organization seems like something from fiction, but it's happened.


Most people are ill-informed, work from an emotionalistic position, and can be easily manipulated into becoming "Useful Idiots", yes. 8)



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04 Jul 2021, 6:50 pm

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i don't believe that for a second.

The article states they want to dismantle Capitalism.


And what is wrong with that? I'm a socialist, so meh.


American capitalism helped a lot of families gain financial (happy 4th of July) independence.
Did your family benefit also?
There is a veteran member, on WP, who has done *extremely* well under the capitalistic system, btw. :mrgreen:



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04 Jul 2021, 6:57 pm

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Some observations:

1.) I had posted earlier that, in the name of civility, WP should ban links to "news" organizations connected in any way with the Murdoch Organization.


This sort of censorship would make WP a publisher, and not a platform, I believe.
I don't think the owner wants to take on the legal ramification as the result of the loss of the protection under section 230.

Quote:
SectionSection 230 of the Communications Decency Act is one of the internet’s most important and most misunderstood laws. It’s intended to protect “interactive computer services” from being sued over what users post, effectively making it possible to run a social network, a site like Wikipedia, or a news comment section.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/21/1870 ... -interview



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04 Jul 2021, 7:08 pm

Pepe wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
i don't believe that for a second.

The article states they want to dismantle Capitalism.


And what is wrong with that? I'm a socialist, so meh.


American capitalism helped a lot of families gain financial (happy 4th of July) independence.
Did your family benefit also?
There is a veteran member, on WP, who has done *extremely* well under the capitalistic system, btw. :mrgreen:

to hell with amuuurican-style capitalism. it has not helped this vet one iota. i am beyond ready for "third way."



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04 Jul 2021, 7:14 pm

auntblabby wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
i don't believe that for a second.

The article states they want to dismantle Capitalism.


And what is wrong with that? I'm a socialist, so meh.


American capitalism helped a lot of families gain financial (happy 4th of July) independence.
Did your family benefit also?
There is a veteran member, on WP, who has done *extremely* well under the capitalistic system, btw. :mrgreen:

to hell with amuuurican-style capitalism. it has not helped this vet one iota. i am beyond ready for "third way."


Uncle Joe will make things right. :wink:



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04 Jul 2021, 7:21 pm

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Uncle Joe will make things right. :wink:


It sounds like Blabby is tired of the status quo but also understands the threat posted by backwards reactionaries.


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04 Jul 2021, 7:23 pm

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Candace Owens is one of my favourite no bullcrap speakers in general when it comes to stuff in the US at least. She sums it up perfectly about How Patrisse Collurs is pretty much embezzling donations into her property empire splurge.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14650126/candace-owens-blm-patrisse-cullors-property/


Cool story, I've mostly found her to be a fountain of disinformation.

I'm aware that Patrisse Cullors has bought a home and that there was discussion over whether or not it was appropriate. That said, I asked you who's been charged with embezzlement? and the answer is no one.

It's not surprising that people who are hostile to BLM will cling to any accusation to reach the conclusion that they ought not to be supported but typically those people would be hostile no matter what and everything else is just rationalizing that hostility.


Do you commit a crime only when charged with said crime? It's pretty simple stuff. She took donation money and went on a property spending spree with it.

BLM also said umpteen times they want to dissolve the police force and the police force are the first step in passing evidence of criminal activity to the prosecution services........including race crimes. With no police there is no ability to take cases to the courts. It's like banning wheels and pretending cars can still roll

BLM actually don't care in the slightest about black lives.


Based on your posts you don't in the slightest about black lives so I hardly feel you're in a position to make a persuasive argument about what's best for people that you're not one of and open about your lack of sympathy for.

Your opinion just simply lacks weight.


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04 Jul 2021, 8:22 pm

Pepe wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
i don't believe that for a second.

The article states they want to dismantle Capitalism.


And what is wrong with that? I'm a socialist, so meh.


American capitalism helped a lot of families gain financial (happy 4th of July) independence.
Did your family benefit also?
There is a veteran member, on WP, who has done *extremely* well under the capitalistic system, btw. :mrgreen:


American capitalism perpetuated slavery. Remind me again, what part of our population suffered under that? American capitalism also came up with the idea of redlining. I seem to remember the same group being targeted.



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04 Jul 2021, 8:26 pm

auntblabby wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
i don't believe that for a second.

The article states they want to dismantle Capitalism.


And what is wrong with that? I'm a socialist, so meh.


American capitalism helped a lot of families gain financial (happy 4th of July) independence.
Did your family benefit also?
There is a veteran member, on WP, who has done *extremely* well under the capitalistic system, btw. :mrgreen:

to hell with amuuurican-style capitalism. it has not helped this vet one iota. i am beyond ready for "third way."


What’s Third Way?


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04 Jul 2021, 8:31 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
i don't believe that for a second.

The article states they want to dismantle Capitalism.


And what is wrong with that? I'm a socialist, so meh.


American capitalism helped a lot of families gain financial (happy 4th of July) independence.
Did your family benefit also?
There is a veteran member, on WP, who has done *extremely* well under the capitalistic system, btw. :mrgreen:

to hell with amuuurican-style capitalism. it has not helped this vet one iota. i am beyond ready for "third way."


What’s Third Way?

courtesy of the scandinavian nations who first tried it and stuck with it- it is basically capitalism with a human face, IOW capitalism with strong social safety net paid for with higher taxes on the middle and upper classes.



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04 Jul 2021, 8:49 pm

Pepe wrote:
MaxE wrote:
Some observations:

1.) I had posted earlier that, in the name of civility, WP should ban links to "news" organizations connected in any way with the Murdoch Organization.


This sort of censorship would make WP a publisher, and not a platform, I believe.
I don't think the owner wants to take on the legal ramification as the result of the loss of the protection under section 230.

Quote:
SectionSection 230 of the Communications Decency Act is one of the internet’s most important and most misunderstood laws. It’s intended to protect “interactive computer services” from being sued over what users post, effectively making it possible to run a social network, a site like Wikipedia, or a news comment section.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/21/1870 ... -interview


No, WP has every right to block your posts under 47 USC section 230(C)(2)(a):

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(A) any action voluntarily taken in good faith to restrict access to or availability of material that the provider or user considers to be obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable, whether or not such material is constitutionally protected; or


WP could could block your posts if they felt they meet those conditions. They would certainly fall under "harassing or otherwise objectionable."

Naturally, you are free to sue them in the US Federal court system...



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04 Jul 2021, 8:59 pm

Nades wrote:
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I've always considered BLM to be an anarchist organisation first and foremost followed by a money laundering/fraud scheme. They're just feigning interest in improving race relations to gain public support and donation money. Ironic and hypocritical for an anarchist group really.

I'm firmly against BLM and all they stand for.


Even the notion that black lives matter? :chin:


Black Lives Matter isn't actually about black lives though is it? And I don't see how somehow going into an Anarchist state with no ability to implement discrimination laws is somehow going to help stop discrimination. In the world that BLM want to create, shooting people for being black will actually be legal.


And just how is that?


Probably because BLM stated again and again they want the removal of police forces and leading figures within the organisation appear to be fond embezzlement.


While it's doubtlessly a bad idea to do away with law enforcement, one has to remember the bad relationship the African American community has had with the police, who have been especially violent and racist toward them. If I were in their shoes, there's a good chance I'd be calling for the same thing.


There might be a culture clash between where I live and the US. I live in an almost entirely white area which has also suffered extreme exploitation bordering on slavery for well over a century.


I have no respect for BLM period. Perhaps it's different to the "new world" like in the US, but where I'm from where white kids used to get blown up in mines and many not even paid actual currency for working 12 hour days, I just don't really care either way.

I'm probably never likely to respect BLM really.


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04 Jul 2021, 9:01 pm

Pepe wrote:
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What BLM wants to dismantle is the ingrained racism in American society. I think this is the primary reason why so many oppose them.


And to funnel off donations to buy million-dollar properties. :mrgreen:


So far, I've only learned about that accusation against one individual involved with BLM. I hardly think most or all of BLM is involved in such a thing.


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04 Jul 2021, 9:03 pm

Pepe wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
i don't believe that for a second.

The article states they want to dismantle Capitalism.


And what is wrong with that? I'm a socialist, so meh.


American capitalism helped a lot of families gain financial (happy 4th of July) independence.
Did your family benefit also?
There is a veteran member, on WP, who has done *extremely* well under the capitalistic system, btw. :mrgreen:

to hell with amuuurican-style capitalism. it has not helped this vet one iota. i am beyond ready for "third way."


Uncle Joe will make things right. :wink:


Actually, I'm hoping he will.


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