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03 Nov 2021, 10:56 am

Tim_Tex wrote:

Still no word on NJ. I heard it was too close to call, which surprised me.

85% of the vote is in in NJ, as of my posting of this election result URL:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2021-e ... or-results

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03 Nov 2021, 1:27 pm

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DW_a_mom wrote:

As for results in Virginia, I understand they follow a statistical pattern for the state, so may be less ideological than pundits and other foreign leaders will read it to be. Predictable by historic patterns or not, it also makes things more difficult for Democrats.

Nothing deep, just my observations.

Statistical patterns also suggest Democrats will lose congress in the midterms. Definitely now or never for keeping the promises made.

Then again, that's business as usual for whichever party wins big in the previous election.

The Democrats did not win big in the 2020 election by any stretch of the imagination. They gained 3 seats just enough to take the Senate via tiebreaker, Biden won by 4 or 5 points, a repeat of Johnson-Goldwater 1964 it was not, and they lost seats in the House.

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03 Nov 2021, 2:44 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

DW_a_mom wrote:

Then again, that's business as usual for whichever party wins big in the previous election.

I was thinking about the Dems taking the White House and both houses of congress, which is in itself no small thing.

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03 Nov 2021, 3:23 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:

It's official, Youngkin is governor.

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/election-day-results-2021-virginia-governor-youngkin/

Eric Adams is NYC's new mayor.

https://www.reuters.com/business/cop/democrat-eric-adams-wins-new-york-city-mayoral-election-2021-11-03/

Is it really that surprising?
Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't Virginia a heavily "red" state previous to the last erection election?

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03 Nov 2021, 3:26 pm

auntblabby wrote:

i have no reason to believe this crypto-trumpkin will govern in any fashion to the left of trumpy.

Time will tell.

Stay tuned.
Same channel....
Same station...

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03 Nov 2021, 3:29 pm

Nope. Hillary won Virginia by about 200,000 votes.

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03 Nov 2021, 3:33 pm

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Nope. Biden won Virginia by about 500,000 votes.

@Kraftie.

I wish you would indicate who you are replying to.
If you are replying to my post, I did say I heard Virginia was a red state *before* the last election.

Biden won Virginia at the last election, yes.
What has that got to do with what I said?

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03 Nov 2021, 3:53 pm

Hillary, the Democrat, won in Virginia in 2016.

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03 Nov 2021, 4:04 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

Hillary, the Democrat, won in Virginia in 2016.

@Kraftie.

Well, then my news source was incorrect.
Bad news source.

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03 Nov 2021, 6:10 pm

Phil Murphy was re-elected as governor of NJ—barely.

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03 Nov 2021, 7:23 pm

Pepe wrote:

Tim_Tex wrote:

Is it really that surprising?
Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't Virginia a heavily "red" state previous to the last erection election?

It certainly appears to be an "interesting" state with regards to historical elections for the position of Governor - Going back to Jimmy Carter, following the election of a new person to the Presidency (not re-elections), the state appears to have elected a Governor of the opposite party to that of the new President.

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03 Nov 2021, 8:02 pm

According to satirical website "the Babylon Bee":

Quote:

Insiders Say Biden 'Really Crapping His Pants' Over Dem Election Losses

Source: https://babylonbee.com/news/insiders-say-biden-worried-about-dem-election-losses-hes-really-crapping-his-pants

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03 Nov 2021, 8:46 pm

So, the Lincoln Project people are now claiming it was "accidental" ratfucking, which is novel:

https://theintercept.com/2021/11/03/lin ... -youngkin/

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When Lauren Windsor, a Democratic operative working with the Lincoln Project, sent five young people dressed in khakis, white shirts, and sunglasses to hold tiki torches in front of Glenn Youngkin’s campaign bus as it docked in Charlottesville, Virginia, on Friday, she never considered that people might think they were actual white supremacists.

The tiki torch stunt was meant to echo the far-right show of force in the city in 2017 and visually tie Youngkin’s campaign for the Virginia governorship with former President Donald Trump — a manifestation of Democrats’ ultimately doomed strategy not to attack Youngkin on his own terms but to tar him by his association with Trump. Instead, when local media painted the stunt as a real demonstration by white supremacists, and it was amplified by the campaign of Democrat Terry McAuliffe, a former governor of the state, it spiraled out of control, with the Lincoln Project only claiming credit for it much later in the day.

Though Democrats would later be accused of manufacturing a white supremacist hoax, the poorly conceived stunt always intended to be transparent that its intent was to link Youngkin to Trump and the infamous Charlottesville protests and that its author was indeed the Never Trump Republican operation the Lincoln Project, according to interviews with participants and contemporaneous communications reviewed by The Intercept.

Basically, they underestimated how dumb the chattering classes actually are, or at least that's their story.

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03 Nov 2021, 10:32 pm

Brictoria wrote:

Pepe wrote:

Tim_Tex wrote:

Is it really that surprising?
Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't Virginia a heavily "red" state previous to the last erection election?

Which is why I noted earlier the outcome was predictable by historical patterns.

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04 Nov 2021, 3:09 pm

Apparently, a major factor in the election result revolved around the rights of the parents.
The parents won.

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04 Nov 2021, 3:14 pm

I don't believe they should be teaching "critical race theory" as the only possible solution to racism---that's for sure. Some of the precepts of it I really don't believe in.

I do believe they should be teaching history as objectively as possible. They should teach about Emmett Till, say. And what happened to blacks and other "minorities" (yes, and some whites, too) in the past.

One doesn't have to believe 100% in CRT to be a decent liberal, a progressive, or somebody who wants social justice. I want social justice. I want de facto equality under the law for all people, all genders, etc.

There's too much "one extreme to the other," and not enough moderation and objectivity.

I know somebody who is a feminist, a vegetarian, a climate-change advocate, the whole nine yards. Even SHE doesn't accept all the precepts of CRT. She thinks they go too far sometimes.

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