Tears for Ukraine, Sanctions for Russia, Yawns for Yemen.

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21 Mar 2022, 4:21 am

I wish BBC showed the other side of Donbass conflict, too - like the whole Protestant Christian community that had to flee because of death threats they received from the separatists (my distant family member was part of it, so I know - they didn't get much press back then).
Ukraine as a whole is multi-ethnic and multi-religious but the "separatists" tolerated only pro-Kremlin forces.


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21 Mar 2022, 4:38 am

magz wrote:
I wish BBC showed the other side of Donbass conflict, too - like the whole Protestant Christian community that had to flee because of death threats they received from the separatists (my distant family member was part of it, so I know - they didn't get much press back then).
Ukraine as a whole is multi-ethnic and multi-religious but the "separatists" tolerated only pro-Kremlin forces.


The picture emerging is of two groups who aren't that much better than each other. Except one (the Russians) are bullies who choose to exercise their power differential.

Just imagine if China now invaded Taiwan and the world was forced to sanction China concurrently while sanctioning Russia? It would be like the the entire global community committing economic suicide.

If China and Russia join forces and jointly invade their populations might suffer but their military will hold in check. Meanwhile here in the west we will turn into third world countries experiencing complete economic collapse and a new world order.



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21 Mar 2022, 4:56 am

China is not ready to reach for Taiwan yet. They will be some day.
The "free world" needs to prepare for a possibility of sanctioning them in the meantime. An economy that can easily collapse is not a good economy.


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21 Mar 2022, 4:57 am

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China is not ready to reach for Taiwan yet. They will be some day.
The "free world" needs to prepare for a possibility of sanctioning them in the meantime. An economy that can easily collapse is not a good economy.


Easy for you to say. Australia relies heavily on China.



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21 Mar 2022, 5:01 am

Time to do something about it.
Diversify.
That's what Europe is urgently trying to do about natural gas right now.
You have a bit more time, you can do it.


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21 Mar 2022, 5:37 am

cyberdad wrote:
magz wrote:
I wish BBC showed the other side of Donbass conflict, too - like the whole Protestant Christian community that had to flee because of death threats they received from the separatists (my distant family member was part of it, so I know - they didn't get much press back then).
Ukraine as a whole is multi-ethnic and multi-religious but the "separatists" tolerated only pro-Kremlin forces.


The picture emerging is of two groups who aren't that much better than each other. Except one (the Russians) are bullies who choose to exercise their power differential.

Just imagine if China now invaded Taiwan and the world was forced to sanction China concurrently while sanctioning Russia? It would be like the the entire global community committing economic suicide.

If China and Russia join forces and jointly invade their populations might suffer but their military will hold in check. Meanwhile here in the west we will turn into third world countries experiencing complete economic collapse and a new world order.


Say what?
pootin is begging China and other nations for military aid.
He has his best troops in Ukraine and he is at a virtual stalemate.
Which universe are you living in? :mrgreen:



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21 Mar 2022, 5:40 am

cyberdad wrote:
magz wrote:
China is not ready to reach for Taiwan yet. They will be some day.
The "free world" needs to prepare for a possibility of sanctioning them in the meantime. An economy that can easily collapse is not a good economy.


Easy for you to say. Australia relies heavily on China.


Australia has already diversified, but we need to find another market for our iron ore.



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21 Mar 2022, 7:59 am

I don't really like the term "new world order."

Because that's a phrase white supremacists frequently use.

It refers, purportedly, to what could potentially "happen" under a "world government." And this "world government," according to these white supremacists, would allow such things as racial integration to hold sway.

Racial integration is not what these white supremacists want.



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21 Mar 2022, 8:31 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I don't really like the term "new world order."

Because that's a phrase white supremacists frequently use.

It refers, purportedly, to what could potentially "happen" under a "world government." And this "world government," according to these white supremacists, would allow such things as racial integration to hold sway.

Racial integration is not what these white supremacists want.


How about: "New World Disorder"?
I.E. The usual. 8)



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02 Apr 2022, 4:57 am

A brutal takedown of the horrible double standard over policy toward Russia compared to Saudi Arabia



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02 Apr 2022, 6:25 am

Making it look like it was about race is ridiculous - aren't Russians "white" as well?
If anything, it's about proximity - this conflict directly borders NATO and EU members, affecting and threating us.

If you find Saudi Arabia so evil, should the West in your opinion send weapons to the Houthis or to Al-Queda?
AFAIK, humanitarian aid is sent to Yemen - taking sides is a completely different matter. None of the fighting sides in Yemen is a pro-Western democracy that established a stable government before being invaded by another country.


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02 Apr 2022, 9:13 pm

magz wrote:
Making it look like it was about race is ridiculous - aren't Russians "white" as well?
If anything, it's about proximity - this conflict directly borders NATO and EU members, affecting and threating us.

If you find Saudi Arabia so evil, should the West in your opinion send weapons to the Houthis or to Al-Queda?
AFAIK, humanitarian aid is sent to Yemen - taking sides is a completely different matter. None of the fighting sides in Yemen is a pro-Western democracy that established a stable government before being invaded by another country.


If you watch the documentary/interview the journalist is saying that the humanitarian crisis in Yemen (impacting women and children) is actually far far worse than Ukraine. This has nothing to with politics.

This does not diminish the suffering of average people in Ukraine (nobody wants this either)...but....is anyone talking about sanctions against Saudi Arabia? the answer is no because if you stop buying oil from Saudi Arabia you plunge the world into economic recession and no western country will do that over dead brown babies.



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02 Apr 2022, 9:22 pm

magz wrote:
Making it look like it was about race is ridiculous - aren't Russians "white" as well?
If anything, it's about proximity - this conflict directly borders NATO and EU members, affecting and threating us.
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The comparison is not valid. Russian and Ukrainians are virtually ethnically identical. But so are Saudis and Yemenis.
The comparison is about human rights violations in blonde Ukraine Vs brown Yemen.

BTW, why when Ukrainian civilians are getting bombed are they taking out their anger on the most vulnerable, namely foreign African and Indian students and their families? there is ample evidence now that these people are being regularly subject to unfair treatment, This is despite the millions of dollars these students bring to the Ukrainian economy via the higher education sector.

I was quite surprised to see graffiti scrawled on a fence after Russian shelling by Ukrainian kids. Instead of anti-Russian it appears to be targeting other people.

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Here's what 1488 means, it's a white supremacist symbol
https://www.adl.org/education/reference ... mbols/1488

I don't understand what is going through the heads of Ukrainians? this was a site of a mass grave of dead Ukrainians killed by Russian soldiers. You yourself say Russians are white. So why scrawl this at the site?



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03 Apr 2022, 2:40 am

cyberdad wrote:
This does not diminish the suffering of average people in Ukraine (nobody wants this either)...but....is anyone talking about sanctions against Saudi Arabia? the answer is no because if you stop buying oil from Saudi Arabia...
The answer is no because if not Saudis, the alternatives for Yemen are the Houthis and Al Kaida. Which one would you like to win thanks to Western sanctions? And what would their victory mean for human rights in Yemen?


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03 Apr 2022, 2:50 am

1488 is not commonly known or used in East Europe, it has a meaning only in Anglophone countries. This grafitti has been done most likely by someone wanting Westerners, in particular American Democrats, to hate Ukraine.
It's a tactics Russians have been using before in the region.


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03 Apr 2022, 3:45 am

magz wrote:
1488 is not commonly known or used in East Europe, it has a meaning only in Anglophone countries. This grafitti has been done most likely by someone wanting Westerners, in particular American Democrats, to hate Ukraine.
It's a tactics Russians have been using before in the region.


That's a bit of a stretch isn't it? Russian soldiers getting shot at by Ukrainians have time to grab paint and scrawl propaganda graffitti painting Ukrainians as racist using obscure far right symbols? I mean really.

It's not like Ukrainain kids don't have internet right. I I think its more likely local kids cheering their Azov brigade.