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30 Oct 2022, 8:57 pm

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Maybe you're looking for a reason not to sympathize with the victim because of who his wife is? And what source did you get this wealth of information from?
Any call to 911 is going to being the police on a wellness check if there isn't a voice addressing the oeprator on the other end.


Try reading what I wrote again, carefully this time.


I did reread what you wrote, and again you're implying that there's something else going on here that makes Mr. Pelosi less worthy of sympathy. Instead of casting aspersions, just say what you're thinking. Till then, the only conclusion I can arrive at is that you're trying to draw responsibility away from your side of the aisle for inciting violent political crime.


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30 Oct 2022, 9:00 pm

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Stay tuned and I think we'll discover that Mr. Pelosi has a history of bringing young men home with him. You'll have a hard time convincing me that a whack job pulled some James Bond moves and outsmarted all the security stops. Mr. Pelosi is not known for his safe decision making, he's pickled his brain with alcohol and bringing home strangers would seem like sound reasoning to someone who believes himself to be untouchable by nature of his wife's connections.


The guy busted into the Pelosi house despite security. It doesn't take 007 to do that.
Besides his stupid choice to drive while drinking, how do you know if Pelosi's mental faculties are in anyway impaired.


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30 Oct 2022, 9:04 pm

I submit that Mr. Pelosi be categorized as living a 'high risk' lifestyle. This is what medical histories categorize prostitutes as, when they are counseling them on drug use, random partners, violence and HIV risks. Only in Mr. Pelosi's case it will be alcohol, strangers, driving while intoxicated, etc... It's fair and it's fitting. His judgment is impaired, he's engaging in high risk behavior. And just like the women they write off it caught up with him.


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30 Oct 2022, 9:12 pm

https://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-am ... 09048.html

And of course the jackhole who runs Twitter now has to weigh in with his dose of ignorance about the Pelosi attack.


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30 Oct 2022, 9:14 pm

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I submit that Mr. Pelosi be categorized as living a 'high risk' lifestyle. This is what medical histories categorize prostitutes as, when they are counseling them on drug use, random partners, violence and HIV risks. Only in Mr. Pelosi's case it will be alcohol, strangers, driving while intoxicated, etc... It's fair and it's fitting. His judgment is impaired, he's engaging in high risk behavior. And just like the women they write off it caught up with him.


And even if that applies to Mr. Pelosi, just what are you implying? Why not just say it instead of dancing around the subject?


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30 Oct 2022, 9:41 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
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I submit that Mr. Pelosi be categorized as living a 'high risk' lifestyle. This is what medical histories categorize prostitutes as, when they are counseling them on drug use, random partners, violence and HIV risks. Only in Mr. Pelosi's case it will be alcohol, strangers, driving while intoxicated, etc... It's fair and it's fitting. His judgment is impaired, he's engaging in high risk behavior. And just like the women they write off it caught up with him.


And even if that applies to Mr. Pelosi, just what are you implying? Why not just say it instead of dancing around the subject?


I'm implying that the assailant got in with a little help from Mr. Pelosi. I do not know this to be a fact, but rumors are circulating that bringing home young men has been reported by his neighbors. And I'm implying that the 'where's Nancy?' was a convenient cover-up for, "I brought this guy home and got caught because hit me with a hammer, since he's a right wing nut anyway, why not use that as the entire premise for this unfortunate situation that I have found myself in?"
Do I think the guy recognized him as Paul Pelosi? I do. Do I think the guy is a right wing looney? It appears that he is. Do I think this guy stood a snowball's chance in hell of getting into the Pelosi residence without inside help? Not a chance...


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30 Oct 2022, 9:57 pm

Who Is the Man Accused of Attacking Nancy Pelosi’s Husband

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A trail of strained relationships. An itinerant life that included a stint living in a storage unit. A personality that was “consumed by darkness.”

Accounts from people who know the man accused of the break-in and violent attack Friday on Paul Pelosi, the husband of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, described indications of a troubled individual and growing signs of politically fueled hate.

The San Francisco district attorney, Brooke Jenkins, said on Saturday that Mr. DePape had given a statement to the San Francisco Police Department, though she declined to elaborate.

A precise sequence of the break-in is still emerging, and a portrait of Mr. DePape is only beginning to take shape. People who have known him at various points in his life reveal a shy person who sought to improve the world, but also as someone whose life seemed to drift and whose behavior seemed strange at times, even unhinged.

When Linda Schneider, 65, knew Mr. DePape for a couple of years starting in 2009, she was running an urban farm for low-income communities in the East Bay area. Mr. DePape would help her with her chickens and occasionally house-sit for her, she said.
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At the time, Mr. DePape was living out of a storage unit in Berkeley and making hemp bracelets, said Ms. Schneider, who still lives in California. He had been using hard drugs but was trying to straighten his life, she said. She recalled him as being reliable, easygoing and painfully shy.

“He wouldn’t even have a bank account because he was terrified of talking to a teller,” she said.

By 2012, Ms. Schneider said she began receiving “very bizarre” emails from Mr. DePape in which he equated himself with Jesus Christ. She felt the messages were “somewhat dangerous,” she said, and she stopped communicating with him.

“This was a guy who didn’t have a lot of internal strength,” she said. “He’d follow anything a little abnormal in front of him.”

Teresa DePape, who is married to Gene DePape, Mr. DePape’s stepfather, first met David DePape when he was in high school in Powell River, British Columbia. Ms. DePape remembered him as a funny teenager who liked to joke and laugh and play computer games. He had some friends, she said, but not a lot. “He was a good kid,” she said.

Mr. DePape finished high school in Armstrong, another city in British Columbia, but the family had little contact with him after that point, she said.

“We tried to at first,” she said. “But he never responded, so we stopped.”

Mr. DePape left Canada about 20 years ago, in pursuit of a relationship that brought him to California, as reported by CNN.

Law enforcement officials over the weekend were examining what appeared to be Mr. DePape’s copious online presence, though they declined to comment publicly on his online accounts.
But a blog written by a user who called himself “daviddepape” contains an array of angry and paranoid postings. The blog’s domain was registered to an address in Richmond, Calif., in August, and a resident of that town said that Mr. DePape lived at that address. From August until the day before the attack on Mr. Pelosi, the blog featured a flurry of antisemitic sentiments and concerns about pedophilia, anti-white racism and “elite” control of the internet.

One of the blog posts suggested that there had been no mass gassing of prisoners at Auschwitz, and others were accompanied by malicious and stereotypical images. Another reposted a video lecture defending Adolf Hitler.

In one post, written on Oct. 19, the author urged former President Donald J. Trump to choose Tulsi Gabbard, the former Democratic congresswoman from Hawaii, as his vice-presidential candidate in 2024

But mixed in with those posts were others about religion, the occult and images of fairies that the user said he had produced using an artificial intelligence imaging system.

Several other posts were consumed with culture war issues and seemed to closely track with current events. One post was about the nearly $1 billion defamation judgment entered this month against Alex Jones, the founder of the conspiracy theory-driven media outlet Infowars.

Inti Gonzalez, who said she considered Mr. DePape a father figure because her mother had a relationship with him when she was growing up, said in a blog post on her website and on her Facebook page that Mr. DePape was someone who wanted to have his voice heard, “but the monster in him was always too strong for him to be safe to be around.”

On her blog, Ms. Gonzalez said that her mother, Oxane “Gypsy” Taub, met Mr. DePape when she was pregnant with Ms. Gonzalez. Their romantic relationship lasted only a few years, but Mr. DePape stayed around longer to take care of Ms. Gonzalez and her two younger brothers, until leaving eight years ago, when she was 13, Ms. Gonzalez said.

Ms. Taub garnered public attention in 2012 when she spoke out against a ban on nudity proposed by Scott Wiener, the San Francisco supervisor, culminating in a 2013 nude wedding at San Francisco City Hall. Mr. DePape, a fatherly influence on Ms. Taub’s three children, planned to serve as a best man at the wedding, SFGate reported at the time.

A 2015 SF Weekly profile of Ms. Taub described her as “a seasoned 9/11 truther, aficionado of psychedelics, and sexual free spirit.” In 2021, Ms. Taub, 53, was found guilty by a jury of charges including stalking and attempted child abduction. She is incarcerated at the California Institution for Women.

A neighbor, Ryan La Coste, 35, said that Mr. DePape had been a semi-frequent visitor to the house and continued to stop by after Ms. Taub was incarcerated.
“I think he might have been helping out because the kids are still young,” he said. But mostly, Mr. La Coste said, Mr. DePape seemed to blend in with the cast of largely transient people who passed through the home.


https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/30/politics/pelosi-attack-suspect-david-depape-bag-zip-ties/index.html

uspect in Paul Pelosi attack had list of targets, law enforcement sources say
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The suspect in the attack on House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's husband Paul Pelosi had a list of people he wanted to target, law enforcement sources briefed on the investigation confirmed to CBS News.

David Wayne DePape, the man accused of beating Paul Pelosi with a hammer inside his San Francisco home on Friday, may have been planning to attack more people, the sources said.

They have not gone so far as to call the list a "hit list," but authorities believe the suspect may have been planning to target others, the sources said.


I would not discount the "MAGA" motivation based on his previous BLM support and hippieish lifestyle. There was the Obama-Trump voter phenomenon. Most of his recent posts are consistent with "MAGA" beliefs. A drifter who has no consistency in life is in a prime demographic for radicalization and an answer. For him, it was apparently nudism back then "MAGA" now.

That said the target list will reveal a lot.


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30 Oct 2022, 10:11 pm

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I did reread what you wrote, and again you're implying that there's something else going on here that makes Mr. Pelosi less worthy of sympathy.


No, I didn't, I questioned the circumstances surrounding the incident and made no comment on the victim, a distinction that is apparently beyond you. Don't you write semi professionally?

Also, as we've been over ad nauseam over the years here, I don't have a side of the aisle, I just dislike one side more.


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30 Oct 2022, 10:26 pm

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I don't have a side of the aisle, I just dislike one side more.

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30 Oct 2022, 10:42 pm

Dox47 wrote:
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I did reread what you wrote, and again you're implying that there's something else going on here that makes Mr. Pelosi less worthy of sympathy.


No, I didn't, I questioned the circumstances surrounding the incident and made no comment on the victim, a distinction that is apparently beyond you. Don't you write semi professionally?

Also, as we've been over ad nauseam over the years here, I don't have a side of the aisle, I just dislike one side more.


Yes, I do write. And I know there is such a thing as reading between the lines.


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30 Oct 2022, 10:46 pm

Persephone29 wrote:
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I submit that Mr. Pelosi be categorized as living a 'high risk' lifestyle. This is what medical histories categorize prostitutes as, when they are counseling them on drug use, random partners, violence and HIV risks. Only in Mr. Pelosi's case it will be alcohol, strangers, driving while intoxicated, etc... It's fair and it's fitting. His judgment is impaired, he's engaging in high risk behavior. And just like the women they write off it caught up with him.


And even if that applies to Mr. Pelosi, just what are you implying? Why not just say it instead of dancing around the subject?


I'm implying that the assailant got in with a little help from Mr. Pelosi. I do not know this to be a fact, but rumors are circulating that bringing home young men has been reported by his neighbors. And I'm implying that the 'where's Nancy?' was a convenient cover-up for, "I brought this guy home and got caught because hit me with a hammer, since he's a right wing nut anyway, why not use that as the entire premise for this unfortunate situation that I have found myself in?"
Do I think the guy recognized him as Paul Pelosi? I do. Do I think the guy is a right wing looney? It appears that he is. Do I think this guy stood a snowball's chance in hell of getting into the Pelosi residence without inside help? Not a chance...


Just because there's some sort of security system hardly means an individual lives in an impregnable fortress. All it means is the home owner is more likely to be alerted to an intruder. But what it doesn't mean is that said intruder can't gain access to the property under any circumstances.
If Mr. Pelosi swings both ways, I seriously doubt he'd choose a mentally ill, right wing extremist.


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31 Oct 2022, 12:18 am

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And I know there is such a thing as reading between the lines.


Which doesn't usually involved making up words and putting them in other peoples' mouths. Show me where in my comment I mentioned the victim in any way, I'll wait.


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31 Oct 2022, 12:58 am

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I'm implying that the assailant got in with a little help from Mr. Pelosi.


I can believe Mr. Pelosi makes bad decisions, based on an otherwise privileged-enough-to-be-bored lifestyle, including things that would be embarrassing. But to think he let in THIS guy for any reason whatsoever is just rightwing nutjobery.



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31 Oct 2022, 2:04 am

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And I know there is such a thing as reading between the lines.


Which doesn't usually involved making up words and putting them in other peoples' mouths. Show me where in my comment I mentioned the victim in any way, I'll wait.


You said there was more to the story than just a right wing nutter getting into the house and bludgeoning Mr. Pelosi. That implies to me that the victim was up to something that had led to the attack.


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31 Oct 2022, 2:25 am

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Stay tuned and I think we'll discover that Mr. Pelosi has a history of bringing young men home with him. You'll have a hard time convincing me that a whack job pulled some James Bond moves and outsmarted all the security stops. Mr. Pelosi is not known for his safe decision making, he's pickled his brain with alcohol and bringing home strangers would seem like sound reasoning to someone who believes himself to be untouchable by nature of his wife's connections.


Which has nothing to do with the motivation of the attacker who was aiming to get his wife



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31 Oct 2022, 2:27 am

Persephone29 wrote:
I'm implying that the assailant got in with a little help from Mr. Pelosi. I do not know this to be a fact, but rumors are circulating that bringing home young men has been reported by his neighbors. And I'm implying that the 'where's Nancy?' was a convenient cover-up for, "I brought this guy home and got caught because hit me with a hammer, since he's a right wing nut anyway, why not use that as the entire premise for this unfortunate situation that I have found myself in?"


Interesting story. I am sure this will gain traction with the pro-GOP people regardless whether its true.