Mass stabbing in England during children's event

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I agree. I didn't mean that they'd know motive by now. That might take years with forensic psychiatry. All I meant is if they don't know motive, they shouldn't be saying if it's terrorism or not. They do have a terror agency investigating with them.

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I know Terrorism needs to have an ideological/political goal. In this case we don't know yet what his goal was so it just seems odd they're ruling it out so quickly. My comment was in regard to other large-scale gender-based crimes like for example the Montreal Massacre of 1989. I don't believe that was ever classed as Terrorism despite Lepine's ideological hatred of women and his political belief that women shouldn't be afforded higher education in place of men. Advancing Incel / sexist ideology fits the criterion in that case and in others where one gender is targeted to die.

I know it's too early to say that's what's happening here but if it is about gender, then it should be called Terrorism.

Definitely, if that's the motive it should be called what it is (likewise, Lepine's actions should be identified as misogyny driven terrorism).

It seems quick to be ruling out a potential motive, but it seems possible they have evidence pointing them away from terrorism, even if they're not ready to share what they have publicly.

Yep

Speculation on a case for which we have very little facts is toxic and it's what caused to riots in Southport in the first place

It's absolutely everyone's worst nightmare what happened and speculation isn't helpful to those who are grieving for loved ones

There could be people reading this now who are related to or who know people who have been affected by this

I think a bit of empathy wouldn't go a miss here

That's the police statement.

Yeah, I wonder what's going on. It seems to me like they're trying to tone down the political backlash given the coincidental timing with Tommy Robinson, Huw Edwards, Starmer's election, etc.

It's just very sad that innocent and legal immigrants and refugees will be scapegoated for this crime, even if he was born in Cardiff.

Have you noticed they all seem shocked a black person could be born in the UK?

Word.

Fair point bb.

My son and his best friend were stabbed six years ago, by three non-white individuals two of whom were never caught. We have security camera pictures of them all. The one who was caught was out on bail for murdering a homeless person.

The colour of the offenders never once crossed my mind. Nor did their immigration status. I want them brought to justice because of their offence and for the safety of others, but that's unrelated to race.

I know how these families are feeling and perhaps that's why it's hit me on such a personal level.


Come to think of it, my son and his friend were saved by their other friend who is Palestinian Muslim.
We owe the boys' lives to him.

As a parent, I think I’d feel upset if folks were using my kid’s death to promote bigotry. I’d want the authorities to take appropriate action to ensure the safety of others, but some of the other stuff that’s going on isn’t so cool. It’s understandable that people will want to talk about the crime that occurred, though, but using it to promote racism, Islamophobia, or what have you is something else.

There was a tragedy in my family many years ago. I know some of the things people were saying at the time. Some stuff was spot on while other stuff not so much. I tried to avoid the news, but I didn’t fault people for talking about it/speculating since it involved a sensational and devastating crime in which a child died - one of my favorite cousin’s kids. I think trying to make sense of things is a human thing to do. Sometimes it’s people’s way of dealing with tragedy. At the time, my family understood why people said the things they did. (The things said weren’t always too far off the mark although not all of us would admit it which is understandable, too.)

I’m not saying that all families will feel the same way as mine did. It’s just that I think people are especially upset about/invested in news headlines that involve kids because it could be their kid, so it makes sense why they would be apt to talking about them and speculating.

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Cornflake wrote:

This thread seems to be developing into something of a rabbit-hole of speculation and theories. Let's not go there, please. There are a few posts here addressing speculative gender and race issues, but this isn't the right thread to derail into a discussion of those issues. If you want, start a new thread (PPR, probably) about the sexist and racist nature of certain UK media and how they love to spin stories to stir up rage, and I'll move those posts to it.

I'll address some confusion here.
1. the incident is horrendous, I can't imagine the horror the parents and family of the children are going through
2. the children who survived will likely carry ptsd and will need therapy
3. the focus should be on support for the children and survivors and their families

But at the same time
1. the community have the right to ask if there is any reason this incident is linked to extenuating risks from others perhaps linked to the perpetrator
2. In order to assess the risk the background and motivation of the perp needs to be established.
3. Objectively his background is irrelevant to the victims but regardless scotland yard and MI5 will investigate anyway
4. prevention > cure. What can the authorities do to prevent this from happening again
5. there will be groups like the BNP, EDL and Farage who will exploit this event, they have been successful before in exploiting immigration to make the UK leave the EU. It is naive to pretend this event is happening in a vacuum. there are consequences and there is potential for it to be a catalyst

Yes ^ but that's ignoring other preventative measures like mental health services, which are relevant regardless of his motive. The focus can't be all in one direction to propel a political agenda, especially when we don't know any of the facts, except for grim details about victims, heroes, and their physical / psychological injuries.

At this point it's the public's responsibility to trust police, mourn victims, and support everyone who was affected including first responders.

Correction - I think it's fair to say we're all affected.