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14 Jun 2025, 7:27 pm

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Israel is a nuclear-armed extremist state that poses a massive threat to world peace and regional stability.


Israel is not going to make "god's promised land" a nuclear wasteland which will be consequence if they are the first to drop nuclear bombs. Israel follows the Mutually assured destruction arrangement (like the US,UK, France and India). Basically if you launch and we are doomed then we will take you down with us (hence it's a deterrent).

A second category Russia and China also follow the Mutually assured destruction arrangement except they are a huge risk of supplying dirty weapons to rogue states

And finally you have 2 rogue states with nuclear bombs - Pakistan and North Korea due largely to the stupidity and self-centredness of China

the last thing the world needs is a country run by religious extremists who invoke martyrdom getting their hands on nuclear weapons. You can thank Israel for keeping the world safe.



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14 Jun 2025, 7:33 pm

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Still I don’t trust they would remain uninvolved in this; they would make a move the moment Iran tells them so.


terrorist groups generally can't be held at their word. I suspect the Israelis will be turning their attention north for a surprise attack in reprisal for the latest pre-emptive strikes.



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14 Jun 2025, 7:59 pm

cyberdora wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Israel is a nuclear-armed extremist state that poses a massive threat to world peace and regional stability.


Israel is not going to make "god's promised land" a nuclear wasteland which will be consequence if they are the first to drop nuclear bombs. Israel follows the Mutually assured destruction arrangement (like the US,UK, France and India). Basically if you launch and we are doomed then we will take you down with us (hence it's a deterrent).

A second category Russia and China also follow the Mutually assured destruction arrangement except they are a huge risk of supplying dirty weapons to rogue states

And finally you have 2 rogue states with nuclear bombs - Pakistan and North Korea due largely to the stupidity and self-centredness of China

the last thing the world needs is a country run by religious extremists who invoke martyrdom getting their hands on nuclear weapons. You can thank Israel for keeping the world safe.


Israel is a nuclear-armed rogue state ran by extremists, they're also one of the main causes of instability in the world.

Insisting Israel keeps the world safe is like trying to insist rotting fruit keeps flies away. You're simping for evil people.


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14 Jun 2025, 8:41 pm

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Insisting Israel keeps the world safe is like trying to insist rotting fruit keeps flies away. You're simping for evil people.


Do you think I have any control of Israeli internal or foreign policy? :lol:
I look at these things practically as an outsider. Israel is one of the only stable democratic countries in the entire middle east in a sea of corrupt, humans rights violating, anti-west regimes.

I do not agree with what Israel has done to the Palestinians (so stop casting false aspersions) but I am capable of understanding why they did/do it.

while you might be comfortable with a country like Iran who have a long history of supporting international terrorism getting materials from China to make nuclear bombs, as a global citizen I know its irresponsible. You don't like Israel (I get it) but they have neutralized a serious threat to the safety of the whole world. whether you like it or not.



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14 Jun 2025, 8:54 pm

I understand you might believe Iran was a threat to the entire world, but that doesn't make it so.

Between the two it would seem that Israel represents the bigger threat to world peace, given that they regularly meddle in other nations affairs and regularly start wars.

You're just repeating tired slogans and clichés in defence of Israel. It doesn't matter that they have democracy for their citizens, they're still an ethno-nationalist settler state that treats the people displaced by their actions as less than human.

How does Israel keep the world safe? Surely you have some sort of argument in favour of this statement, if you sincerely believe it. I've already explained how Israel does anything but keep the world safe but I'd love to hear you attempt to explain how I'm wrong and how Israel is actually a force for peace instead of a force against peace.


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14 Jun 2025, 8:57 pm

cyberdora wrote:
the last thing the world needs is a country run by religious extremists who invoke martyrdom getting their hands on nuclear weapons.

... or a country with nuclear weapons being taken over by religious extremists. Alas, religious extremists, complete with genocidal "Amalek" rhetoric, are becoming more and more demographically dominant in Israel.

Also, are you aware of Israel's history of giving covert support to Islamist extremist groups including Hamas, for the purpose of keeping Palestinians divided?


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14 Jun 2025, 8:58 pm

https://www.yahoo.com/news/iran-reports ... 27152.html

https://news.sky.com/story/iran-claims- ... s-13383379

Iran is claiming to have shot down as many as three F-35s.

I'll post more solid proof once more trustworthy sources either confirm or deny this.


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14 Jun 2025, 8:59 pm

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cyberdora wrote:
the last thing the world needs is a country run by religious extremists who invoke martyrdom getting their hands on nuclear weapons.

... or a country with nuclear weapons being taken over by religious extremists. Alas, religious extremists are becoming more and more demographically dominant in Israel, complete with genocidal "Amalek" rhetoric.


I'd question if secular extremists are more trustworthy with nukes.

I think the core issue is the extremism, not whether it's motivated by religious or secular ideas.


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14 Jun 2025, 9:12 pm

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It doesn't matter that they have democracy for their citizens, they're still an ethno-nationalist settler state that treats the people displaced by their actions as less than human..


^^^ How about this, I agree with you. But I am not defending Israel's actions against innocent civilians (that's wrong) but I do understand Israel has:
a) a right to exist
b) a right to rescue its own citizens
c) a right to defend themselves against internationally banned terrorist groups.

Calling Israel names doesn't change a)-c).



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14 Jun 2025, 9:18 pm

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How does Israel keep the world safe? Surely you have some sort of argument in favour of this statement, if you sincerely believe it. I've already explained how Israel does anything but keep the world safe but I'd love to hear you attempt to explain how I'm wrong and how Israel is actually a force for peace instead of a force against peace.


Sure, I don't expect Israel to act an any form of global peacekeeper. However in this instance they did us all a favour.



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14 Jun 2025, 9:19 pm

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Also, are you aware of Israel's history of giving covert support to Islamist extremist groups including Hamas, for the purpose of keeping Palestinians divided?


I am aware of this. Hence why Netanyahu has to answer for his crimes.



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15 Jun 2025, 12:32 am

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I did a tarot reading on this if anybody is curious about what my cards had to say?

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Uh... Don't make future plans?


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15 Jun 2025, 12:41 am

BBC Live updates

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Tensions between Iran and Israel have been escalating as the two countries have continued to launch attacks at each other throughout the night.

If you're just joining us, here's what happened in the last few hours:

Iran launched a fresh wave of attacks on Israel, hitting the centre and the north of the country

Israel's emergency service said four people have been confirmed dead at the site of the strike in central Israel

At least four people were killed when missiles hit a residential neighbourhood near Haifa in the north of the country, according to multiple Israeli news outlets

The Israeli military carried out more attacks on Tehran, saying it targeted buildings linked to the country's nuclear programme, including the defence ministry

President Donald Trump said the US "had nothing to do with the attack on Iran, tonight" in a social media post
Tehran's Oil Ministry said the Shahran oil depot in the capital was hit in the latest strikes, but added the situation was under control

A video verified by the BBC also shows a fire burning near the Haifa oil refinery following tonight's salvo of missiles fired from Iran


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15 Jun 2025, 12:19 pm

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I understand you might believe Iran was a threat to the entire world, but that doesn't make it so.

Between the two it would seem that Israel represents the bigger threat to world peace, given that they regularly meddle in other nations affairs and regularly start wars.

You're just repeating tired slogans and clichés in defence of Israel. It doesn't matter that they have democracy for their citizens, they're still an ethno-nationalist settler state that treats the people displaced by their actions as less than human.

How does Israel keep the world safe? Surely you have some sort of argument in favour of this statement, if you sincerely believe it. I've already explained how Israel does anything but keep the world safe but I'd love to hear you attempt to explain how I'm wrong and how Israel is actually a force for peace instead of a force against peace.



He means the western world for sure, his world is the West, Israel won’t attack any western country.



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15 Jun 2025, 12:42 pm

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I understand you might believe Iran was a threat to the entire world, but that doesn't make it so.



Ummm, no, you are wrong, I am dismissing the rest of your post because it is full of whataboutism.
I realize that Israel is dangerous and ethno country… etc

Saying that, all that doesn’t negate the fact that a nuclear Iran would be the most dangerous threat to the world.

This nation is literally ruled by a Doomsday cult, with a Doomsday goals.
They, wouldn’t hesitate for a second to use a nuke to fulfill a doom prophecy.

A world with a nuclear Iran is certainly less safe; one would be out of their mind if they think otherwise.



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15 Jun 2025, 1:21 pm

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funeralxempire wrote:
I understand you might believe Iran was a threat to the entire world, but that doesn't make it so.



Ummm, no, you are wrong, I am dismissing the rest of your post because it is full of whataboutism.
I realize that Israel is dangerous and ethno country… etc

Saying that, all that doesn’t negate the fact that a nuclear Iran would be the most dangerous threat to the world.

This nation is literally ruled by a Doomsday cult, with a Doomsday goals.
They, wouldn’t hesitate for a second to use a nuke to fulfill a doom prophecy.

A world with a nuclear Iran is certainly less safe; one would be out of their mind if they think otherwise.


Referring to Iran's leadership as a a doomsday cult seems extreme. I'd like to know why you consider them to be a uniquely irrational doomsday cult that's less able to be trusted with nukes than say Israel, North Korea or Pakistan.


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