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19 Jan 2026, 1:13 am
I'm joining this conversation late, so forgive me if this subject has already been brought up: Needless to say, if Trump goes to war with NATO, that's the end of that alliance for us. But perhaps Trump isn't so concerned with that, as he seems to prefer being chummy with Russia instead. America's expulsion from NATO will only serve our enemies around the globe. But for Trump, like so many American businessmen today, the long term game is of little concern, as immediate gratification is front and center.
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19 Jan 2026, 3:09 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
America's expulsion from NATO will only serve our enemies around the globe. But for Trump, like so many American businessmen today, the long term game is of little concern, as immediate gratification is front and center.
I would hazard a guess there's money to be made. Trump is behaving like the old venture capitalists like the British east India company who drew on his majesties firepower to gain a foothold in India and China.
"The U.S. government has long run a budget deficit, financed in part by foreign investors, who own about 30% of publicly held Treasury debt. According to a report from the Congressional Research Service. The CRS, in the report, warned that continued growth in net foreign debt risks a reassessment by foreign holders. If demand for Treasurys were to weaken, it could raise U.S. borrowing costs and put pressure on the dollar."
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19 Jan 2026, 4:16 pm
The tighter the Yanks clench their fist, the more of the world will slip through their greedy little fingers.
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20 Jan 2026, 4:43 pm
I'm the last person to stick up for Trump, but the Canadian PM's comment about heralding the end of the US empire is ignorant.
Europe was a shambles in 1945, it was the US who had to pay for Europe's economic reconstruction from the ground up.
NATO offered security protecting western Europe from the Soviet Union and allowing EU states to prosper in peace. Denmark would not have such a high standard of living without US help.
The EU need to be more strategic about Trump's claims of a security threat in Greenland. Bravado and threats from Danish troops opening fire on US forces plays into the hands of Putin.
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20 Jan 2026, 5:09 pm
cyberdora wrote:
I'm the last person to stick up for Trump, but the Canadian PM's comment about heralding the end of the US empire is ignorant.
Europe was a shambles in 1945, it was the US who had to pay for Europe's economic reconstruction from the ground up.
NATO offered security protecting western Europe from the Soviet Union and allowing EU states to prosper in peace. Denmark would not have such a high standard of living without US help.
The EU need to be more strategic about Trump's claims of a security threat in Greenland. Bravado and threats from Danish troops opening fire on US forces plays into the hands of Putin.
I fail to see how having once been a useful partner changes the reality that right now the US is the biggest threat to Denmark, not Russia.
Russia wouldn't be capable of taking Greenland, the US is. Russia isn't threatening to take Greenland, the US is.
Anyways, this explores likely consequences of the US taking Greenland and is largely on the same page as Carney's observation. America actively invading Greenland would cause a great loss in America's prestige and place in the world:
_________________ The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. —Malcolm X Just a reminder: under international law, an occupying power has no right of self-defense, and those who are occupied have the right and duty to liberate themselves by any means possible.
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20 Jan 2026, 6:10 pm
The analysis of what happens if the US sets foot in Greenland uninvited is explained in detail by Malcolm Nance, ex-US Naval Intelligence and defence and counter-terrorism expert. This was in response to Representative (Fine) from Florida celebrating the Greenland Annexation and Statehood Act.
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If we invade Greenland we go to war with 31 nations. NATO stays together but without us. Its HQ is in Brussels, not the Pentagon.
Our global reach across the Atlantic will end. Our closest refuelling base will then be in Israel or Egypt.
100,000 American soldiers will be forced to board civil airliners and sent home or be taken as POWs/Detainees WITHOUT WEAPONS OR EQUIPMENT.
Canada will close its airspace and sea space. US Ballistic Missile Defense at Pettufic and Fylingdales ENDS, which means we see nothing except what space sensors can see. US Intelligence is reduced to Fort Meade, Ft Gordon, Colorado Springs and Hawaii.
CIA spies will be rolled up by their former friends within HOURS. NO ONE WILL SHARE ANYTHING WITH US.
ALL GLOBAL SHIPPING WILL BE CLOSED TO US. Denmark operates the largest shipping company in the world (Maersk).
SIX OUT OF TEN global shipping companies are in Europe ... World's biggest container ships? DENMARK!
Australia, NZ, Canada are Commonwealth so they will cut ties with us or be neutral too; including the Five Eyes Intelligence-sharing.
PS Denmark and locals run all life support and generators at Pittufik; and Canada resupplies it ... all 150 US forces personnel would become POWs to guys on sleds. FYI they have troops there now and 35,000 caribou hunting rifles.
FYI France and UK have nukes. Hundreds of them, so you cannot intimidate them with that.
Oh and they collapse the US economy by sanctioning us and selling off 2.3 trillion in US treasuries simultaneously.
Another take on Trump/Greenland:
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21 Jan 2026, 1:03 am
^^^ Might be time for a real Jan 6 coup on the Whitehouse to save both the US and the rest of the world. Trump needs to be reminded what happened to JFK.
So if the guy in the boss chair in the USA has demonstrably turned into a nutter ? Why doesn't he get prosecueted for his crimes with Epstein , and be done with him, Or what is up his sleeve next, he has been doing the best job ever with his DOJ cheif , of dodging the opening up of the Epstein files . Makes a person wonder . Quite sure ,he is doing his best to digust the bulk of the US citizens , And shove all of them around , till something snaps and he is praying for invoking martial law, to keep his butt out of jail. Or maybe since he installed a communist president in Venezula, he wants to join Russia in fighting the NATO countries . But he needs to distract the people from association with Epstein .
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21 Jan 2026, 4:00 pm
Trump makes an incoherent (as usual) speech today in Davos. Special low-points: He confuses Island with Greenland and seems to forget that Europe answeared the call when the US invoked article 5 after 911.
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