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I am equating the large proportion of muslims who have decided they want to change this country into one run by sharia. Yes Christians have done bad things, but not 40% of them. Bush and the Saudis were in on the Iraq one together, so its not exclusively Christian inn that case. As for blowing up abortion clinics, when a pre-natal test for autism comes along you will be thankful someone can do that. If someone did join the IRA and announce it, then yes i would judge them for that.

The thing with Islam is its a more dangerous ideology than the other ones. Sort of why im against it.

Yes, in a general sense.

Neither do I. However, to illustrate that a mechanism is there that can produce the problem, here's a link to something relevant, although a few years old:

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,,958380,00.html



Moreover, people from these foreign lands have been raised in a different culture. For example, many from Muslim countries think that killing a member of their family who transgresses a certain religous code is perfectly acceptable. A person from Somalia (a war ravaged hell-hole where theft and killing are necessary for survival) will obviously not be too concerned about resorting to crime once they land here.

Even the cultural differences with Europe are problematic. Although a minor point when compared to the excesses of Islam, I know that eastern Europeans are proving a problem to many UK fishery owners. Theses particular immigrants are used to catching and eating freshwater fish in their home lands. Over here, most rivers and lakes are maintained for sport fishing where the fish are returned (except for trout and salmon, where certain regulations prevent overfishing). Because of our population density they would quickly be devoid of fish life if everyone helped themselves -- which the Poles in particular do. In some cases this is illegal, in others it's a grey area, but it causes a lot of anger amongst Britains who enjoy fishing as a hobby.

It's not just immigrants breaking the law; it's about them changing the country in which we live. If, as in years gone by, a small number came here every year there'd not be such a problem. They'd have to learn our language, and abide by our laws and customs. As it stands now, there are so many of them that they form communities within ours, where there is no pressure for them to integrate. They can do what they want, to an extent, because as soon as anyone criticises them then some Guardian-reading lefty will start throwing accusations of racism around.

Going back to a previous post of yours, you commented that you didn't agree with BNP policy because of the racial angle. Well, I think you'll find that most of their policies don't have a racial angle. From what you've written you do agree with some BNP policy, just as I agree with some BNP policy. I think the racial side of it has been marginalised, somewhat, over recent years; though they do raise some interesting points for debate.

Glad to know I'm appreciated!


Well, you better, old chap! Has a certain ring to it, don't you think? I've come up with a lot better in the past, though, autodidact. I'll see if I can treat you to some more ultra politically-incorrect idiom in the future.

You are not. I pity you.




I'm sure you have. The kind of things that would probably get you arrested under our racial and religous hate laws!



Don't bother, you'd only be lying and betraying your true self! This has absolutley NOTHING to do with being politically correct you can say whatever you like. It has everything to with not being a bast**d and treating people of different nationalities as equal human beings, not second class citizens.

I do not adhere to any political, religous or cultural orthodoxy - thank you very much. I think for myself and am totally detached from much of so-called culture. I don't believe in the concept of 'sides' and left and right. All ideologies are control mechanisms that enslave us, wether they intend to or not. Marxist-leninist types are just as stupid as yourself. Guardian-reader?! ! no thanks. F**k the media and our celebrity obsessed culture. I Follow NO-ONE!

I think I understand where you are coming from about the concern for extremist interpretations of Islam but this does not mean that all muslims or the majority are like that. Statistics should be treated with contempt. To say that 'Christians have done bad things, but not 40% of them' is nonsense. how can you ever justify such a statement? - Nearly every war that has ever been fought has used religon as an excuse for bloodshed but it is individual people who carry out such acts, hiding behind their respective gods. Look at all the despicable things so-called christian people have done throughout history and continue to do. Just because they go to church on Sunday doesn't mean anything. People's faith has nothing to do with how good or bad a person they are.

With the abortion clinic thing, no I do not condone murder. Two wrongs do not make a right. Any issue is highly contentious. Murdering autistics or people with other handicaps is evil and qualifies as eugenics. Stopping the pregnancy of a mother who risks the death of herself as well as her child by going through with it, is not murder. I feel very sorry for all involved; the mothers and children and the professionals that have to make these kind of descisions.

So the BNP website gets more hits than the UK Labour or Conservative sites?

The image of flies around a turd spring to mind.

Amen. The question 40% answered 'yes' to probably has nothing in common with oppressing other religions.

If someone wrote up a survey about whether "Britain should put more emphasis on biblical morals" I bet a whole bunch of old ladies would say "ooh that would be nice". And then they'd be surprised when they suddenly found out they were forbidden to wear a mixture of wool and cotton

Clearly im not needed here. Nice answer

you are psych!. We need an antidote to this kind of hate.

Statistics! pppffffff!! !! !! They are all about influencing and controlling people.

Hell, the BNP are the only party honest enough to state what they want.

No I am equating a large proportion of Muslims to what they said they wanted to do, i.e make an Islamic state out of Britain. As for the terrorism, thats an entirely different matter, and not the line that i particuarlly want to get into. As for the systematic abuse, rape, and so on, its hardly like 40% of Christians sit in churches condoning it every Sunday, just a few Strom Thurmond wannabes. The thing with our own empire is its in the past, before all our lifetimes. What Islam is doing is in the present, or more to the point what people are doing in the name of it.

The thing with Islam is in most cases its not a casual thing, where as the majority of Christians are more relaxed about their religion. Thats the problem, its a deep rooted system of closing minds. Hence the relative postions of Arab nations to western ones. As an atheist, i would like religion to go away. Fast.

Your arguement is against globalisation really, which is an idiotic right-wing idea. The British are no better than any of those groups you outline. The problem is the failure globally of people to respect the countries that they move to, and try to integrate, even better assimulate to an extent.
As for BNP policy, i disagree with it on minutae. What ideas i might agree with are the ones that they promote that happen to be more communist as opposed to anything else. For example Britain growing its own food as much as possible, almost every party backs that one. None of the policies that actually come from the BNP I can agree with. The BNP borrow ideas from other parties and groups, that doesnt mean they should have ownership of those ideas.

This particular one is not. I've mentioned mainly immigration in this thread, and controlling that, so as not to negatively impact on our society. That is not incompatible with globalisation (which means different things to different people, anyway). Not that I'm especially enamoured with global capitalism, but I'm a realist.


The problem is that half our government lives in liberal cloud-cuckoo-land and are unable to see that people tend to associate with those of a similar religion, language and culture by default; and the other half know this but couldn't give a toss as long immigration in some way adds to their short-term career prospects. People don't assimilate unless they have to.


Probably less than most of the mainstream parties.

I don't think you've fully articulated your reasons for objecting to the BNP, neither has autodidact, or that ElectricBlue character. What is wrong with wishing to keep foreigners from irrevocably changing your country into a carbon-copy of some far off land? What is wrong with wishing that all people be equal before the law, and that certain minorities don't get special treatment because of the colour of their skin? What is wrong in wishing to be able to voice these opinions without the risk of losing ones job, or even imprisonment? Is any other party going to take a stand on these issues?