Why The Vaccines Cause Autism Myth Still Goes On

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That was dang clever. I must say, kudos on the invisible text. I wasn't particularly insulted (I have a rather thick skin, so such a demonstration won't work very well on me) but I was going to make a sarcastic comment in regards to your [apparent] hypocrisy. LeKiwi IS paranoid. What do you propose we say to her? It is an attempt to address specific irrational views that she holds to. She seems to believe that Big Pharma is conspiring to hurt everyone. There is no way to point out the flaw in this premise without saying that it is reflective of paranoia. As I said, it could probably have been phrased better. But you can't address the debate if the person you're talking to is operating within a framework where all evidence contrary to their claims is a fraud perpetrated by the CDC for some unknown but malevolent reason.

I propose just ignoring LeKewi. If one knows they're right, why be offended if others are wrong?

Not offended. It is next to impossible to offend me unless you a)insult my religion or b)make fun of autistics. Those are really the only two things I'm likely to be offended by.

The problem is the spread of ignorance, which in this case can have serious negative ramifications for public health. If people refuse medical treatment because they think it's a scam, unnecessary suffering and death WILL result. I would consider it worthwhile to prevent such things, ESPECIALLY as it is typically the children of such people who suffer for the parent's misguided views.

Also, I'm Aspie. I have a compulsive seeking after truth. It bothers me deeply to see people making false statements, even if they are of no consequence. These are of consequence, so it's even more important to correct misinformation.

Read the quote; I didn't say 'everyone has HIV' at all. Perhaps the 'and' preceding 'mental illness' can be replaced with 'or' for clarity, but I would have assumed that was implied by context.

Obesity is a social issue, but unfortunately people don't know how to take care of themselves and so it is a huge issue. No pun intended.

Mental illnesses like stress (which can exhibit physiologically as well as mentally), depression, anxiety, certain phobias, etc are on the rise due (more than likely) to the modern lifestyle. Depending on who you ask, some would call them an epidemic.



I've never mentioned any conspiracy involving government and pharma. Those are your words. All I'm saying is this is classic example of profits before our health - safety tests are next to none (well, one could argue we are the tests), the companies are incredibly dodgy [one need only look at the back catalogue of crimes Merck have got away with recently for proof of this], and why should I trust them with my immune system? I know how vaccines work, I know how our immune systems work, I come from a medical background. I don't read paranoid Christian websites as was suggested on the other thread, I don't read sites full of candy-floss science with little understanding of any real facts, and I don't buy into the theories as to why this is happening (of which there are plenty - intentional population control/the illuminati/etc seems to be the flavour of the month). It's pure profiteering. Nothing more, nothing less. That's hardly a conspiracy, but it is putting our lives in danger.

So sure, I'll vaccinate. But not until the toxic chemicals I spend my life avoiding are removed from the cocktails they inject you with.

Read the last post I made above that. I don't reject all medical authorities or all medicine at all. A good percentage, yes, unless it's absolutely necessary (such as antibiotics on rare occasions, usually there are natural ones that are just as effective but less discriminatory, or trauma care, or various others needed to sustain life... I'm sure you could think of others). But I don't see vaccines as absolutely necessary. Perhaps a century ago, before hygiene and discoveries such as penicillin/antibiotics put paid to the majority of epidemics, I would have considered it. But these days where the majority are rare, not overly serious, treatable, and not worth the risk involved in putting those substances into your body it's futile. I'd rather take my chances the natural way - by building a good immune system through good nutrition, a healthy lifestyle, common sense (i.e. avoiding outbreaks), and various herbs/plants.

I won't adapt your pessimistic view of the world. I know there are problems to be dealt with, and society is working on them. We all work on them every day in small ways as we make choices about what to do and what to buy. Not all suffering is bad. It can serve a purpose. And most of what you listed is quite treatable. Life continues to have value, and to be lived in positive ways, despite these things. Adults can handle them. It isn't nearly as tragic as what used to happen to the young, with these diseases we can now vaccinate against.

I don't mean to come across as pessimistic, and yes they can all be treated - holistically and naturally - if only people want to put in the effort. They'll sit there living this ridiculous lifestyle and then when something goes wrong and they get sick, they demand a magic little pill, but aren't prepared to make the often simple lifestyle changes that would reverse the condition. Ok, so that does sound pessimistic. I just feel like so often I'm banging my head against a brick wall trying to get the message through to people - you can't live an unhealthy lifestyle and expect to be healthy.

That's pretty much it. I'm a healer and I'm sick, so SO sick, of seeing people sick! It just makes me so angry and so upset to see people suffering, and usually it's so needless. But people just don't want to wake up to some simple truths that could stop the suffering. I just feel so incredibly sad for so many people and I wish I could do something more than I do but it just can't happen until they want it to, and by then I fear it'll be too late for so many...

Your comments about antibiotics are irrelevant. Antibiotics treat bacterial infections (AFTER they develop, btw, I thought you would prefer preventative medicine?) while vaccines are more often targeted at viral infections. Viral illnesses are difficult or impossible to treat after onset in most cases, so the best bet is to have immunity BEFORE getting sick. And no "natural herbs" are goign to make you immune to measles, polio, etc.

The flaw in your reasoning is that people today ARE healthier than they have been in the past. Which doesn't really fit with "BIG PHARMA IS MAKING US SICK!"

Again- why do you reject CDC/NIH etc as valid sources of research information, and who conducts research that you DO accept?

Anyone with a vested interest has to be discounted if you want totally unbiased research, and therefore totally unbiased results.

Which is exactly why Merck & Co. recently put some of their in-house writers into a university to pose as independent researchers in an attempt to lend credibility to some of their studies. But were caught, in what has turned out to be a spectacular case of fraud on their part. They won't be charged, of course.

Same company who killed over 50,000 people (that's more than died in the Viet Nam war and have died in Iraq, to put some perspective on it) with their 'miracle drug' Vioxx, which they KNEW caused heart attacks before they even put it on the market.

The same company who were also recently caught dumping waste from their vaccine manufacturing plant into a public waterway in Virginia, which then goes on to a water treatment plant, effectively leaving their waste in your tap water (as the treatment plants don't filter the water sufficiently; chemo drugs and birth control pills, amongst others, have recently been found in tap water).

...Think that should summarily say why I don't trust these companies one iota. That and the way they make trillions a year from you being sick - "A patient cured is a customer lost", as they say.

As for the FDA/CDC/etc, they allow aspartame, MSG, sucralose, acesulfame potassium, sodium nitrate, benzoates (alone OR combined with ascorbic acid), hydrogenated oils and fats, various colours... in your food - that should say it all about how concerned for your health they are.


So sure, call me paranoid, call me a conspiracy theorist, call me what you like. But the facts are pretty obvious and pretty straight-forward if you use a bit of common sense. Which sadly ain't the common anymore.

Really, you insist not to believe in any conspiracy, but at the very least imply government complicity in... I'm not quite sure what. But you seem to distrust their motives and intentions.

What research WILL you trust? If you aren't going to accept the entities that carry out research, you essentially have to reject the entire field of medical research.

You are projecting. FDA regulates what is or is not permitted in food product; as far as I know they aren't engaged i any significant epidemiological research. FDA and CDC are separate entities which both happen to be funded by taxpayer money. Really, you listed a bunch of scary-sounding things and tried to use innuendo to claim that the FDA is apathetic to consumer safety, but neglected to demonstrate why you believe those particular things should necessarily be banned. You will need more thorough reasoning of why FDA/government is evil. FDA has done quite a bit to protect US consumers, it's not as though we still have cocaine in our soda.

This contrasts oddly with earlier statements about disease being more prevalent/ a bigger issue now than in the past. You have to be consistent to make any sense. They are rare now- because of vaccination efforts, in part. And as for being "treatable," kindly dispel my ignorance as to how a measles infection is treated.