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18 May 2008, 10:06 am

The politicization of religion topic

I have no problem with private religious beliefs in a democratic system. It is that religion writ large that bothers me. I say keep the healing aspects of religion and the good tenets that bring a multifaith perspective: The eclectic approach, not the militaristic/political/territorial beliefs that result in juntas, terrorism, monoreligious states and one party dictatorial systems. This is destructive and hateful. :evil:


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18 May 2008, 10:58 am

Both the religious and the atheist perspective are defective and have a very limited viewpoint.
Only mysticism or universal spirituality can truly claim authority because it has the key to practically realizing the deeper nature of matter and mind beyond the realm of cause and effect.

It is no coincidence that many religious people as well as atheist enjoy humiliating or bashing people who don't share their own limited point of view.
Atheism gets stuck in the material realm of cause and effect and religion gets stuck in myth, superstition and other irrational beliefs and practices.

A smart person stays away from limited philosophies and follows the path of spirituality that leads to the expansion of mind or consciousness also called self-realization.



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18 May 2008, 5:39 pm

The only thing that the arguments on this thread - mine included - have boiled down to so far is: I'm right, you're wrong.

I don't think it's going to go anywhere, either.


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18 May 2008, 6:04 pm

I am but I'm not because I see atheists do the same thing.

It is offensive but it isn't compatitively so to speak. Most people like to think they know about another's belief or non-belief. However, what people don't seem to get is that within a belief or not, not everything is just black and white. So I don't find when someone who generalizes anyone into a group to be all that healthy.

Many reasons why I don't debate about religion or spirituality or atheism in the PPR forum which looks like there's too much of in this forum.

I'm not too much into politcal correctness since it confuses me but I have noticed that an individual of one opinion who offends another in some way can dish it out but can't take it. To me I'm clueless since I was raised in a country where we're suppose to have our own freedom of belief whether it be spiritual, religious, or none unless if it harms or intrudes on another's rights. Ironic isn't it?

So mine is NO and YES since I see people do it all the time including atheists. As for me, I'm agnostic (who uses ignosticism since ignorance is jumping to a quick conclusion about another's own personal faith.) I'm not saying I do but I pretty much try to respect the different opinions of others unless they are attacking them with the words like hateful words. That's when it starts to irk me because that doesn't just intrude but attacks another on a personal level.


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18 May 2008, 6:26 pm

Chibi_Neko wrote:
I don't like what you say about Atheists, they are as nice and smart as religious people, the only difference is atheists believe in reality.


If that isn't bias and insulting, i don't know what is.



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18 May 2008, 6:30 pm

MissConstrue wrote:
I am but I'm not because I see atheists do the same thing.

It is offensive but it isn't compatitively so to speak. Most people like to think they know about another's belief or non-belief. However, what people don't seem to get is that within a belief or not, not everything is just black and white. So I don't find when someone who generalizes anyone into a group to be all that healthy.

Many reasons why I don't debate about religion or spirituality or atheism in the PPR forum which looks like there's too much of in this forum.

I'm not too much into politcal correctness since it confuses me but I have noticed that an individual of one opinion who offends another in some way can dish it out but can't take it. To me I'm clueless since I was raised in a country where we're suppose to have our own freedom of belief whether it be spiritual, religious, or none unless if it harms or intrudes on another's rights. Ironic isn't it?

So mine isNO and YES since I see people do it all the time including atheists. As for me, I'm agnostic (who uses ignosticism since ignorance is jumping to a quick conclusion about another's own personal faith.) I'm not saying I do but I pretty much try to respect the different opinions of others unless they are attacking them with the words like hateful words. That's when it starts to irk me because that doesn't just intrude but attacks another on a personal level.


A question I have is:
how is it worse to attack a person than it is to attack a group containing that person? How is it better to deride and slander generally rather than criticize a specific person?



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18 May 2008, 6:33 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

A question I have is:
how is it worse to attack a person than it is to attack a group containing that person? How is it better to deride and slander generally rather than criticize a specific person?


Because when you attack an idea you're not attacking anyone just the idea itself, or so goes the logic of an atheist.



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18 May 2008, 8:05 pm

oscuria wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:

A question I have is:
how is it worse to attack a person than it is to attack a group containing that person? How is it better to deride and slander generally rather than criticize a specific person?


Because when you attack an idea you're not attacking anyone just the idea itself, or so goes the logic of an atheist.


Yeah, even when they say thinks similar to: "you must be a fool if you think such things, don't accept what I say without thought or question, must be inconsistent because the majority of blah thinks blargh, et cetera ad naseum." Of course, it is hard to be humble when one knows all.



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19 May 2008, 12:24 pm

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Just would like to know. I've had people bashing me about it, frankly I can't see anything wrong my statements.
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They reflect your opinion, and you are certainly entitled to it, but the thing that is really wrong with your statements is that you couldn't spell atheist correctly! :x

Now, THAT'S offensive! :D



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19 May 2008, 12:55 pm

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Stimshieme wrote:
Just would like to know. I've had people bashing me about it, frankly I can't see anything wrong my statements.
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They reflect your opinion, and you are certainly entitled to it, but the thing that is really wrong with your statements is that you couldn't spell atheist correctly! :x

Now, THAT'S offensive! :D


I sometimes misspell mountain as mountian. :P



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19 May 2008, 1:03 pm

I'm not offended with your signature.


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19 May 2008, 1:31 pm

I could care less about little signatures on internet forums.
Some people simply don't understand that extremism is bad in any form.. Whether it's militant christianity or militant atheism. Both types of people tend to be rather annoying and ignorant.


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19 May 2008, 1:42 pm

I agree on that. My belief system is eclectic--a mix of pretty much everything imaginable.


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20 May 2008, 11:14 am

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I don't know, maybe it's the part about atheists having no character. I'm not an atheist, but I find that sort of over-broad characterization to be a turn-off.


This is pretty much how I see it. I also find it somewhat amusing when someone writes a sentence that starts with "Atheists think..." or "Christians think...", etc when they don't fall into the group they're writing about.

It also seems somewhat hypocritical to have an autistic community that hates being stereotyped by Autism Speaks or other similar groups - but doesn't mind stereotyping others.



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20 May 2008, 2:20 pm

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nontrivial wrote:
I don't know, maybe it's the part about atheists having no character. I'm not an atheist, but I find that sort of over-broad characterization to be a turn-off.

Same here. I also am offended by common atheist claims that religious people are all inherently stupid, ignorant, or delusional. If atheists are allowed to be dickheads on internet forums, so is everyone else. Free speech trumps anyone's rights to not be offended.


I agree with that concept, but I see at is immature of both sides to do something so stupid. I do not think religious people or atheists have the right to say that. PC can get over board, but as long as it does not become a concept people obsesss over it should be fine.



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20 May 2008, 4:04 pm

Stimshieme wrote:
Just would like to know. I've had people bashing me about it, frankly I can't see anything wrong my statements.


I'm going to take your statement at face value and assume you really don't see what's wrong with such statements. Substitute "Autistic" for "Atheist" in your signature and read it again. It's not a perfect substitution but you'll get the idea. Does it still seem like a fair way to address a group of people? Aren't autistics fighting against this sort of stereotyping?