8-Year-Old Accused of Murders Kept Spanking Tally

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Yup. She also tried to dress up like a man later on, and made up like she had stubble. She used a rolled up stocking to make it look like she ahd male genitals too. But that was way after he murded those little boys.

On the manner of spanking as sexual abuse:

All it takes is the child ("victim") to put his punishment in a sexual context once and then evermore it takes on the mantle of sexual abuse. I was sexually aware, in puberty, and certain of all the gory mechanics when I was 6 (thanks, Grey's Anatomy!). I hated the sexual humiliation aspect of spankings, and did everything I reasonably could to escape it.

Think about it in these terms: how would you have reacted if you were going through puberty and your father pulled down your pants in a public place and spanked you? Would YOU care that you were "too young" to have it psychologically effect you, or how far your genitals were from where he was hitting? Or would you just feel akward and wrong, and wonder why noone stopped the tyrant from hurting you? From humiliating you? Would you wonder what you could possibly have done to deserve not being treated like a human? Would you wonder how he could say he loved you, how you were supposed to feel something other then hate for him?

(This specific incident happened when I was about 8 or 9. I said something that didn't agree with his politics - I was speaking out against police brutality. I dare you to call me a liar, Ill tell you the whole story.)

Spanking may not be sexual abuse in every case, it may not even be intended to be sexual in every case that it is, but spanking can definitively be sexual abuse and it definitely can be traumatizing.

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So the kid got spanked 1000 times. In how long a time period? That's 3 times a day if its over a year. That's a bit much... even supporters of spanking must surely realize that hitting them (yes, its on the ass, where they have the most padding, but you are still hitting them) isn't the answer if you have to do it three times a day for a year.

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Locking him up would basically be a death sentence. At age 8 a person is mostly unformed. Their mind has not matured to the point that it is truly self determinate. If he goes to jail he will never have the resources and experiences he needs to be rehabilitated and a useful member of society.

Jail is supposedly a place for rehabilitation and the correction of behavior destructive to society. But it is treated like a place of punishment. They are not synonymous, even though punishment can be used to train children to behave according to certain norms.

The best case scenario is that after years of hard work on his part he is able to come to terms with what has happened and what he did and how he should continue in the world. This will never happen if he is locked up.

If they locked him up for just a couple years then let him go, I would prefer he stay imprisoned. He would have no operating knowledge about how to get along in the world, other then he should probably not kill people who can get linked back to him.

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I'm not sure how I sit on this. I would need more data to discern what should be done with him but I would hope that a therapeutic approach is feasible.

So you're suggesting an adult, who may be more than twice of a child, hitting them maybe or maybe not realizing how hard or if they're actually hurting the child, isn't abuse.

Would you like it if a giant pulled your pants down and hit you on the backside?

Did I bring up the term rapist in what I said? I said it's CLOSE to a form of rape, I didn't CALL it rape.

How many of those kids do you know weren't held in such terror that their only resort would be to disassociate, or end up with another mental pathology attributed to abuse. People have developed multiple personalities, so one personality copes with the pain, while the other one dissassociates, you call that a healthy result of parent to child aggression?

I don't encourage patricide in toddlers. However, since you assumed that of me, I'm wondering. Do you encourage parents to take their aggressions out physically on their children? Do you believe that children really just learn how to cope from a situation, where they have to always make sure they see mommy or daddy is in a good mood, or else they'll get hit?

If it was a woman in an abusive relationship, would you be so quick to side with the abuser? This is worse then that, it's a defenseless child, who depends on their parents. A child left in terror of those who were supposed to care for him.

One more thing, people who call other people or their views ret*d, are just displaying how they behave in a manner that would be considered ret*d. Lack of social skills, knowledge of behavior towards others.

I wish more people did, they seem to rather focus on how spanking isn't considered abuse. Perhaps someone should build a spanking machine to scale of how large an adult would be to a child, then let these pro-spankers go and get spanked by it. See if they feel that it taught them any lessons other than fear for one's own life.

I completely agree. although some adults might actually like that. I Feel really really bad for this child. Obviously the spankings messed him up, and the article doesn't mention what else was going on at home.

when i was younger i was slapped across my bare behind almost every day, and sometimes when my dad's hand started to sting he would go and grab a slipper, then lock me in a room for hours until he remembered i was up there. if i had a gun, i think i would have killed him back then, now however i just treat him with as little respect as possible and smile to myself everytime i hear about his life falling apart.

there was once a time at school where he done it, no teachers or parents got involved as it was 'none of their business'. in my oppinion it was perverted stripping a child from the waist down and spanking them infront of everyone and very traumatic for myself as everyone in the school could see.


in my oppinion the child shouldn't have killed his father, he should have instead shot him in both buttocks if anything to show a little empathy.

Oh but according do Macbeth here:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp1880793.html#1880793

Spanking can't possibly be construed as sexual abuse, and anyone who suggest a child having their pants pulled down at any adults' desire or wishes, is sexual abuse, they must be the ones who are sick.

They got upset with me cause I said it was close to rape. I suppose if this was something that happened only to girls, nobody would put up with it. And yes, I am a girl, saying that. When it happens to boys it's a rite of passage, when it happens to girls it's "OMG that horrible bastard!" Certainly it would be seen as sexual if done to a girl, in fact it is. Why do you think the schoolgirl outfits are considered so sexually appealing?

Exactly, and it's wrong and disgusting.

Child Protection Services are so cold and detached,
they did not believe what the 8-year-old told them.

Some children don't know right from wrong.
Instead of locking the 8-year-old up, why not institutionalize the kid?
If locking the kid up is reconmended, the child will be killed/raped in prison by other inmates.
The cycle of violence will continue, no matter what happens.

As for the spanking part, I too was spanked occassionally when I was a small child.
This is how my intolerance for physical pain began.
My mother still does it occasionally because of my perceived behavior.
I came close to committing suicide once, but am grateful that I didn't.

I think that people who spank like the Humiliation aspect of it. I don't understand why anyone would do it.

You are very quick to assume that all "spankings" are Adult aggression being taken out on weaker individuals, or only ever results from a bad mood. As I said, thousands (millions perhaps) of children grew up with corporal punishment, and very few ended up psychotic because of it. You assume that every child who ever got spanked grew up terrified of their parents, when you can see people saying that they arent and weren't right here in front of you.

Nor is it generally comparable to other domestic abuse. People have already mentioned that without enough extra detail, there can be no way of knowing how abusive this "spanking" was. Hands? Fists? Belts? One clip round the ear or daily beatings for an hour? What had he done to trigger the punishment? Anything? Nothing?

What the f**k has schoolgirl fetish got to do with this?

Maybe we should better define "spanking" in this thread?

Irony is a dish best served cold! With lead!

... I got nothing.

True enough though... killing is wrong, but sometimes it is better then any other apparent course.

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The schoolgirl fetish is supported by its secondary association with dissonant behavior resulting in corporal punishment.

More details.

Apparently he told CPS that his 1000th spanking would be his last and they didn't do anything.

http://phoenix.cox.net/cci/newsnational/national?_mode=view&_state=maximized&view=article&id=D94OTBIO0&_action=validatearticle

I thought they were supposed to be there to *help* Children!