Green Party Election Broadcast (Within the United Kingdom)
ascan wrote:
Dussel wrote:
Norway is legally in a similar position as Switzerland: Defacto a member of the EU, but having no say.
And having no invasion of eastern Europeans taking their jobs and abusing their welfare system.
"Taking jobs"? Than qualify better? Bad working conditions for Britons? Blame the government and its opt-out regarding the EU-legislation (the most recent big show-down has has passed the EU-Parliament).
Abusing welfare system? Which system? The UK-System is fare below the standard of Germany, France, Benelux and not talk about the Scandinavian countries.
ascan wrote:
They still maintain significantly more control over their own destiny, than we do in the UK.
Even less than the UK, because they do not have a say in Brussels. Don't think that any European country has really the means to have any "significant control over its own destiny". On global scale only a unit of the size of the EU has a change to control anything.
To get some real influence back, you need to give up formal sovereignty - a sovereignty formally uphold, but without the means to push it through is a legal construct without any value in the real world.
ascan wrote:
Well, that's 1.69mb/day we don't need to import, Dussel. Yes, the N Sea fields are in decline, but then there's the potential of the vast shelf area west of the Western Isles out to the Rockall Bank, and of course the area around the Falkands -- I'm sure the thieving bureaucrats in Brussels would love to get their grubby paws on that. With sensible investment in nuclear power generation, and in large tidal schemes like the Severn Barrage, we could be in quite an enviable position. Like I said, we are not Switzerland.
You perhaps noticed that Switzerland or Luxembourg and other countries without any significant reserves of natural resources do very well, whilst natural resources rich Russia just has an GDP per capita in region of Burundi.
ascan wrote:
Dussel wrote:
It is [imperial measures] simply idiotic to use for science and engineering an other system of measurement than for all other purposes. Especially if this system is quite less practical...
I never said it was preferable to use in that situation, only that it's preferred in everyday matters when talking about travel distances or buying food.
It is just an outdated and non-practical system - the most countries on the continent made their change in the early 1800s under the influence of Napoleon and if the man hasn't done anything else for the good, it would be sufficient to keep him in good memory.
ascan wrote:
However, don't the Yanks seem to manage OK? Didn't they put a man on the moon using their version of feet, inches, pounds and ounces?
No - Nasa and the US-Military uses the metric system.
Dussel wrote:
Well, there may be truth in that, but I prefer being governed by British crooks over Euro crooks.
You don't understand - important for me is the power is split into different centres. The nationality does not really matter at all.
Dussel wrote:
Look what happened the last two times a megalomaniacal continental had a desire to rule over us.
I hope you do not compare the painstaking compromise finding on EU-Level with Hitler's totalitarian dictatorship?
Dussel wrote:
"Taking jobs"?
Yes, many eastern Europeans come over here and work for peanuts as they're used to living in squalor, so can rent a broomcupboard in a slum, whilst sending money back to their native land. Naturally, that prevents British workers getting jobs in many areas. And yes, whilst they're over here they get to use the NHS as well as being entitled to all the other benefits the Labour government throws at them out of our taxes.
Dussel wrote:
No - Nasa and the US-Military uses the metric system.
I mentioned the moon landings, and I'd expect most of that work was done in pre-metric days. Even now, some US contractors in the aerospace industry don't use metric, and I recall there was some big f**k-up recently where a specification had been read in traditional US units as opposed to metric ones. As for the US military, they still use pounds, yards and inches in certain situations. Moreover, US industry as a whole still to a large degree uses the old system (some Yanks here might want to confirm I'm correct in that).
Dussel wrote:
On global scale only a unit of the size of the EU has a change to control anything.
That's really not true. As I've said, the UK has sufficient resources, established commercial links across the globe, and an independent nuclear deterrent. Furthermore, there's nothing to stop us joining existing, or forming new, trading or defence organisations who aren't run by a bunch of megalomaniacs with expense accounts that would make a Tory MP blush. If you want an example of what happens to large union of states with disparate cultures, languages, politics and identity then the old USSR is probably where you should look. That, I fear, is where we're heading with the EU.
Dussel wrote:
You perhaps noticed that Switzerland or Luxembourg and other countries without any significant reserves of natural resources do very well, whilst natural resources rich Russia just has an GDP per capita in region of Burundi.
You're not factoring in the influence of the USSR, Dussel, the decades of economic neglect, and then the upheaval brought on by its demise. Also, countries like Switzerland have done well precisely because they've not been part of organisations like the EU, and so have, for example, been able to run their banking sector in a way that generates significant revenue at the expense of the tax receipts in many other countries.
Dussel wrote:
You don't understand - important for me is the power is split into different centres. The nationality does not really matter at all.
But for most it does, including the political elite who make the laws. I'd rather someone with a vested interest in my country was running it than some foreigner the other side of the Channel.
desmonami wrote:
Yes, very funny. But so what?
ascan wrote:
I am waiting for you to come out with the cliche of moving to Australia in the near future quite frankly.
desmonami wrote:
I am waiting for you to come out with the cliche of moving to Australia in the near future quite frankly.
Well, I do try and stay one step ahead of the immigrant hordes, you know, but I expect I'll stay here, ready for the day when the English make their last stand.
