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06 Oct 2017, 10:41 am

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This is video showing gunfire coming from the 4th floor.



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YwExxmghi8c


It's not gunfire. It's the reflection of a light bouncing off the window or a flickering light in the room. The windows at that casino can't be opened, which is why he had to break them. There are no broken windows on the 4th floor.



Can't glass be cut like a small circle that the head of a gun might fit through?

That would be really difficult to do,not like spy movies.The glass would most likely crack.I had a friend that did stained glass work.He mentioned not being able to cut circles.Its possible,but you would need to remove the glass from the frame.I'd guess those may not be single pane windows either,it would be even harder if the windows were double pane,you'd have to cut thru two pieces of glass.


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06 Oct 2017, 10:50 am

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This is video showing gunfire coming from the 4th floor.



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YwExxmghi8c


It's not gunfire. It's the reflection of a light bouncing off the window or a flickering light in the room. The windows at that casino can't be opened, which is why he had to break them. There are no broken windows on the 4th floor.



Can't glass be cut like a small circle that the head of a gun might fit through?


Glass can be cut but these rooms are checked regularly and the hole would be noticed.


They are not checked regularly. Paddock had a Do Not Disturb sign on his door and the hotel staff said they are not supposed to enter if someone has that sign. Staff said no one entered the room for 3 days.


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06 Oct 2017, 10:58 am

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My assessment of the situation.

1. I do not believe he was a jihadist for the reasons stated by others.
2. I do not believe the shooting was politically motivated or that he was targeting right wingers, because he had previously booked a hotel near Lollapalooza. I believe he chose the Rout 91 festival merely because it was local and convenient.
3. I do not believe he is part of a conspiracy for a number of reasons.

4. I do believe that someone helped him, but not knowingly.
5. I do not believe he had been planning this for as long as he had been hoarding guns.

The reason for 4 and 5 is, he did not stash his firearms as if they were merely utilitarian tools. He kept many of them in a gun room and at least one of them had been custom made. For this reason, I suspect he was a firearms affectionado, and I suspect he was able to obtain some of the things that he was from unsuspecting arms dealers or other affectionados who he had formed a rapport with, much like his rapport with the casinos put him outside the realm of suspicion.

6. He had significant life stressors.
a) He was intelligent. He was able to utilize his knowledge of algorithms to beat the house and make gambling profitable for him. The downside to being very intelligent is you are surrounded by morons.
b) He had extreme chemical sensitivity to the point of having to wear gloves, and being unable to take medication for high blood pressure.
c) He had health problems (unchecked high blood pressure) which can cause bleeding in the brain, among other things, leading to white matter vascular disease, which may be linked to dementia. His physical condition had been deteriorating.
d) He was anti-social. He was a divorcee, and while he was dating a woman close enough to his age, she was south east Asian. He was distant from his family and had built a high fence around a hill top house, citing to a neighbor who complained that he didn't people looking at him and he didn't want to look at other people.
e) He did not know how to deal with his dislike/frustrations with people in a health manner, thus the facade of "kind" and "polite", which leads me to conclude....

Conclusion
He was a misanthropist who was frustrated with the human species and didn't know how to deal with it except to mask his hostilities. This alone does not drive someone to commit mass murder. Health problems which he could not treat may have directly or indirectly altered his state of mind, however, and could have been what pushed him over the edge. If his motives were a cumulative lifetime of frustrations then he may not have cared to bother with an explanation because "tl:dr" no one wants to read a woe is me life story.



I haven't heard about the high blood pressure. So you are saying he had some TIA's or mini strokes? No proof of that. Did you find info that he had a CT of the head? The only drug I have heard about is the valium.


I am not saying he had TIAs or mini strokes. I said high blood pressure can cause bleeding in the brain, and white matter vascular disease, which may be linked to dementia...the bleeding is often capillary bleeding.

White Matter Vascular Disease


Any bleed in the brain is a stroke or a TIA. High blood pressure can lead to a stroke. White matter vascular disease may lead to dementia.

Again, I have not heard that he had high blood pressure.

The article says that white matter disease can be linked to hypertension, high cholesterol, poorly-managed diabetes, an unhealthy diet, lack of exercise, and smoking by hardening the capillaries in the brain leading to strokes.

All this is getting pretty involved - were you in the room during Paddocks last physical? I haven't heard anything about his health except he had anxiety and was a heavy drinker. And the dementia diagnosis would need a brain scan.


His high blood pressure and the fact that he couldn't treat it was mentioned here.

Paddock article

It's the reason he could not get medical clearance to renew his pilot's license.


That's a good pickup on the blood pressure - I hadn't heard of that problem. I would be more apt to thinking any brain problems though would be caused more by his drug use, heavy alcohol drinking and any mental disorders carried down through family history. If his high blood pressure was out of control, usually a stroke is the result.


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06 Oct 2017, 12:25 pm

Chronos wrote:
My assessment of the situation.

1. I do not believe he was a jihadist for the reasons stated by others.
2. I do not believe the shooting was politically motivated or that he was targeting right wingers, because he had previously booked a hotel near Lollapalooza. I believe he chose the Rout 91 festival merely because it was local and convenient.
3. I do not believe he is part of a conspiracy for a number of reasons.

4. I do believe that someone helped him, but not knowingly.
5. I do not believe he had been planning this for as long as he had been hoarding guns.

The reason for 4 and 5 is, he did not stash his firearms as if they were merely utilitarian tools. He kept many of them in a gun room and at least one of them had been custom made. For this reason, I suspect he was a firearms affectionado, and I suspect he was able to obtain some of the things that he was from unsuspecting arms dealers or other affectionados who he had formed a rapport with, much like his rapport with the casinos put him outside the realm of suspicion.

6. He had significant life stressors.
a) He was intelligent. He was able to utilize his knowledge of algorithms to beat the house and make gambling profitable for him. The downside to being very intelligent is you are surrounded by morons.
b) He had extreme chemical sensitivity to the point of having to wear gloves, and being unable to take medication for high blood pressure.
c) He had health problems (unchecked high blood pressure) which can cause bleeding in the brain, among other things, leading to white matter vascular disease, which may be linked to dementia. His physical condition had been deteriorating.
d) He was anti-social. He was a divorcee, and while he was dating a woman close enough to his age, she was south east Asian. He was distant from his family and had built a high fence around a hill top house, citing to a neighbor who complained that he didn't people looking at him and he didn't want to look at other people.
e) He did not know how to deal with his dislike/frustrations with people in a health manner, thus the facade of "kind" and "polite", which leads me to conclude....

Conclusion
He was a misanthropist who was frustrated with the human species and didn't know how to deal with it except to mask his hostilities. This alone does not drive someone to commit mass murder. Health problems which he could not treat may have directly or indirectly altered his state of mind, however, and could have been what pushed him over the edge. If his motives were a cumulative lifetime of frustrations then he may not have cared to bother with an explanation because "tl:dr" no one wants to read a woe is me life story.


For awhile there I thought you were leading to a concluson he was an aspie.


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06 Oct 2017, 2:06 pm

Investigators Probing Whether Others Were in Las Vegas Gunman’s Suite

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Investigators are trying to determine whether anyone else was in the Las Vegas gunman's hotel room during the time he was registered there, multiple senior law enforcement officials briefed on the investigation told NBC News.

The investigators are puzzled by two discoveries: First, a charger was found that does not match any of the cellphones that belonged to the gunman, Stephen Paddock.

And second: Garage records show that during a period when Paddock's car left the hotel garage, one of his key cards was used to get into his room.

There are several possible explanations for these anomalies, the investigators say, but they want to get to the bottom of it.

They are also examining his finances. IRS records show that Paddock was a successful gambler, earning at least $5 million in 2015. Some of that could be from other investments, but most of it was from gambling, officials say.

Paddock unleashed a barrage of bullets from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay and Casino on Sunday night, killing at least 59 people and injuring about 500 others who were attending a country music festival below.

His motive is still unclear. Senior law enforcement officials said Paddock, 64, had researched possible attack locations in Boston and Chicago, including the Lollapalooza festival in Chicago in August.



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06 Oct 2017, 2:12 pm

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This is video showing gunfire coming from the 4th floor.



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YwExxmghi8c


You realize that when you post links to false news, you lose all credibility, right?


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06 Oct 2017, 2:22 pm

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One thing I want to say about sources is that you have to be willing to have an open mind and listen to more than just the so called"reputable" ones because those sources are not going to want to publicize certain information that might be too "risky".


Having an open mind to false news sites is not good for your knowledge base. They don't publicize risky information, they publish false information. It's kind of sad that you can't understand the difference.


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06 Oct 2017, 2:32 pm

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Garage records show that during a period when Paddock's car left the hotel garage, one of his key cards was used to get into his room.

And where was nurseangela at this time, that's what I want to know. 8)


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06 Oct 2017, 2:58 pm

http://www.snopes.com/second-gunman-sho ... dalay-bay/



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06 Oct 2017, 3:20 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
Chronos wrote:
My assessment of the situation.

1. I do not believe he was a jihadist for the reasons stated by others.
2. I do not believe the shooting was politically motivated or that he was targeting right wingers, because he had previously booked a hotel near Lollapalooza. I believe he chose the Rout 91 festival merely because it was local and convenient.
3. I do not believe he is part of a conspiracy for a number of reasons.

4. I do believe that someone helped him, but not knowingly.
5. I do not believe he had been planning this for as long as he had been hoarding guns.

The reason for 4 and 5 is, he did not stash his firearms as if they were merely utilitarian tools. He kept many of them in a gun room and at least one of them had been custom made. For this reason, I suspect he was a firearms affectionado, and I suspect he was able to obtain some of the things that he was from unsuspecting arms dealers or other affectionados who he had formed a rapport with, much like his rapport with the casinos put him outside the realm of suspicion.

6. He had significant life stressors.
a) He was intelligent. He was able to utilize his knowledge of algorithms to beat the house and make gambling profitable for him. The downside to being very intelligent is you are surrounded by morons.
b) He had extreme chemical sensitivity to the point of having to wear gloves, and being unable to take medication for high blood pressure.
c) He had health problems (unchecked high blood pressure) which can cause bleeding in the brain, among other things, leading to white matter vascular disease, which may be linked to dementia. His physical condition had been deteriorating.
d) He was anti-social. He was a divorcee, and while he was dating a woman close enough to his age, she was south east Asian. He was distant from his family and had built a high fence around a hill top house, citing to a neighbor who complained that he didn't people looking at him and he didn't want to look at other people.
e) He did not know how to deal with his dislike/frustrations with people in a health manner, thus the facade of "kind" and "polite", which leads me to conclude....

Conclusion
He was a misanthropist who was frustrated with the human species and didn't know how to deal with it except to mask his hostilities. This alone does not drive someone to commit mass murder. Health problems which he could not treat may have directly or indirectly altered his state of mind, however, and could have been what pushed him over the edge. If his motives were a cumulative lifetime of frustrations then he may not have cared to bother with an explanation because "tl:dr" no one wants to read a woe is me life story.


For awhile there I thought you were leading to a concluson he was an aspie.


That's what I was thinking, but I didn't want to say anything because I didn't know if it would be taken the wrong way.


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06 Oct 2017, 3:28 pm

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This is video showing gunfire coming from the 4th floor.



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YwExxmghi8c


You realize that when you post links to false news, you lose all credibility, right?


Dude, didn't I say before that I look at several news sources. I don't really care if you think that I even have credibility. I do expect you to look up the information and prove if it is credible or not, but only if you want to investigate. If someone here comes up with information from ANY source, I would like it posted. Everyone has to make up their own mind of what a credible source is to them. I look at ALL news and keep it in the back of my mind for later reference.

Like I said previously, some news sources do not want to take a risk by telling some information that had not yet been backed up. If you only want that kind of news, you'll be waiting a long time or forever because there is no news source who publicizes every piece of known information on a specific topic.


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06 Oct 2017, 3:29 pm

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nurseangela wrote:
One thing I want to say about sources is that you have to be willing to have an open mind and listen to more than just the so called"reputable" ones because those sources are not going to want to publicize certain information that might be too "risky".


Having an open mind to false news sites is not good for your knowledge base. They don't publicize risky information, they publish false information. It's kind of sad that you can't understand the difference.


You're wasting my time. And you're sad, bub, for not having a more open mind. That will be your downfall. NEXT!


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06 Oct 2017, 3:36 pm

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http://www.snopes.com/second-gunman-shoot-fourth-floor-mandalay-bay/


For some, Snopes is not a reputable site. The reason I keep the 4th floor shooting possibility in the back of my mind was because the police reports at the time the incident was occurring said the police also thought there were shots coming from the 4th floor then there was the video from people outside when the shooting was happening (from their phones) that showed flashing like gunfire that corresponded to the gunshot sounds. Someone here said it was just flashing of light - but what light would cause that kind of flashing and at the same time as the gunfire? When the gun sounds were happening, there isn't any light flashing in Paddocks windows on the 32nd floor. Why is that? The only thing that stops me from believing this is that there is no broken glass on the outside of the building. However, I am still going to keep this info for later reference.


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Garage records show that during a period when Paddock's car left the hotel garage, one of his key cards was used to get into his room.

And where was nurseangela at this time, that's what I want to know. 8)


Wouldn't you like to know, buster. :mrgreen:


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06 Oct 2017, 3:39 pm

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Oh, SHOOT----I keep forgetting to put what I heard on The Today Show, this morning.....

The sheriff said:

- - that he (the sheriff) thought Paddock had help (as in, help obtaining weapons, NOT help in shooting).

- - that he feels that Paddock TRULY thought that he'd survive and escape (might be why he didn't leave a note - IF he didn't).

- - that there seemed to be evidence that Paddock spent time with another woman (maybe that explains the "2 Guests", on that Room Service receipt - ALSO, maybe that's our "you're all gonna die, anyway" woman).


The Sheriff is just trying to justify the worthlessness of his department. If the Sheriff admitted that the guy acted alone, then he would have to admit that they had no effect on the situation. So the Sheriff came up with a BS story about him trying to escape, to make it look like the police prevented him escaping. Yeah the dead man was trying to escape. :roll: The police always lie, to protect themselves and make themselves look as good as possible.

There is zero evidence that the guy had any help, and there is zero evidence that he was trying to escape. This was clearly a lone wolf suicide mission. There was no way he was going to escape, and he knew that.

As for the receipt. The two guests part, is meaningless. There is nothing on the receipt that indicates it was for more then one person, except 2 Pepsis, and he probably just wanted to drink two Pepsis. It's not like one person can't easily eat 1 burger, 1 bagel, 1 bowl of soup, one water and two cans of soda. That is a typical room service meal for some one holed up in a hotel room getting ready for a mass murder.


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06 Oct 2017, 3:50 pm

So now we have a receipt with 2 people eating in Paddocks room. We have his card being used to the room when he is obviously gone. Maybe a second shooter on another floor. This whole thing stinks to high heaven.

I still am wondering about the 75 min it took for the raid into Paddocks room. Miss Conspiracy Theory would say what if this time was used to "set up" the room - someone to get rid of Paddock and stage the room for what the authorities want everyone to think that happened and cover up what really did happen. I want to know what was in the note. They also said there was some filming that Paddock did inside the room. Where is that? The FBI is covering up crap. We should have been told a lot more of what happened than we have from the authorities. They have the note, the filming AND the six hours of interrogation of Miss Priss Danley. We still know nothing, everything so far is speculation.

Maybe they are not showing the filming in the room because it doesn't match up with the pictures that were leaked. Hmm.


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