[IMPORTANT] Hamas launches foot assault against settlements.

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I obviously don’t know about who has been banned because their posts are not here. But I feel the question of if anti zionism is automatically Jew hatred is a very proper topic for PPR. If an anti zionist post has anti Semitic tropes then moderator action is warranted. As mentioned further discussion of banning of anti Zionist or critical of Israel posts probably belongs in wrongplanet.net discussion.

My bias is that I am Jewish and as mentioned in another thread feel that if Israel is not a Jewish state a version of what happened in southern Israel will happen in all of Israel. Here in America it will embolden anti semites and hurt Jewish confidence/pride.

I do not feel anti zionism is the same thing as anti semitism but do feel that so much anti zionism is open or coded anti semitism that I do often get suspicious. As an anti wokeness person I do understand how that is frustrating as hell for the non anti semitic person who feels a Jewish state is wrong. The anti zionist movement has been hijacked by anti semites in a similar manner the anti wokeness movement has been hijacked by racists and transphobes. That means so many people are going to assume you are anti semite if you say you are anti zionist and assume you are a racist, transphobe MAGA if you say you are anti woke.

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QFT

On occasion if I notice that a regular has stopped posting I have PM’ed a moderator. In one case the moderator did tell me that member was banned but said they could not tell me why. Yes it was THAT PERSON. It took me awhile but I eventually connected the dots.

I think it makes sense for them to say one way or the other when it involves a longtime member. On another forum I was on, they wouldn’t say which left people wondering what happened and if the person was going to come back someday. Sometimes people have false impressions, too, which can cause problems.

Obviously no one has been banned for just being anti-Zionism (although I believe that's what happened), it is not a WP policy to ban members for being anti-Zionism.

And obviously talking about banned members is against WP policy ( I know I started it)

I saw the doctor on the news stating they had been told to evacuate by Israeli army before the attack.Reuters I think.
I watch local and others but pretty sure it was on Reuters last night.

It seems a little weird if a hospital is told to evacuate by an army only for it to have an alleged terrorist misfire happen in the car park - but coincidences do happen. It still mystifies me how hijackers' passports were found after 9/11.

Israel has bombed medical facilities before. From 2014:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/ ... legations/

Total damage to Gaza's healthcare system in 2014:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... %20injured.

That seems like a lot for it to be unintentional. It looks more like the healthcare system was targeted.

Damage sustained by both sides in 2014:

https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza- ... 376dbfe0ac

Attacks on ambulances in 2006:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1523489/

(I'm not meaning to pick on Israelis, just inhumane behavior/war crimes committed by the government. Obviously, they aren’t the only problem.)

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I hadn't seen Cornflake's recall.

Let's give it the right attention



That it does not turn into a war with many nations among the opponents.

The words I have read are unwise. They foresee the further death of unarmed civilians.

Even unarmed civilians.


One wonders who is right?

No one is right. Who is been banned (I don't know, I've only been here recently), I think he deserved the sanction if it happened, there is a reason. My second name is Davide and it's not by chance.

My parents chose it.

Jews do very important part of Italian history.

We Italians knew Fascism, and it was pre-Nazi, which was born many years later.

We adhered to the racial laws, we have faults that cannot be forgotten (Never).

Afterwards, in addition to working in secret to a peaceful solution, we participated in important missions.

We did not take the side of any of the contenders.

We were very good at that. Anyone who clearly takes a non-peaceful position is only fueling hatred.

And the Jews have truly taken hatred so much over the centuries.

Each of the two populations deserves peace.

Where they are now there are both Jews and non-Jews, Muslims and the right of worship and free expression is always guaranteed for both.

There are many Mosques.

I have never entered them.

I saw hundreds of Muslims praying in the streets. The people were silent.

I see people who have nothing to do with wars of this type.

Jewish churches and places of worship are always protected by our police forces.

There are always soldiers on duty, but for decades.

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It should make you think about one thing: the attacks that gave rise to the last phase have always been there.

It is not by eliminating a political faction that would be replaced by others in the If it were possible and I don't think it is possible.

But by changing the political rules and working for peace.

Yes it can with a shared truce.

The rest will be uncontrollable. It will create other worse conflicts. We do not have a right to war.

This must be understood: instead you often post taking part to feed it. I don't mean here, but in various virtual places.

You can't start by judging from a final action. I've read ultimatums to clear out important areas for attacks.

*If anything, those should be avoided. I'm not mentioning who outlined it.

That war area is uncontrollable.

Woke up this morning and immediately thought of a hilarious joke involving highly-esteemed filmmaker George Lucas. Googled the words "george lucas palestine" and found this little gem, apparently someone beat me to the joke

https://thedailyer.com/george-lucas-rel ... hot-first/

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Holy s**t, this article is from 2012. Some things never change eh?

I was trying to think of a funny CGI addition à la Jar Jar Binks but maybe not the best thread for my jokes.

The more salient struggle I see going on currently is people sort of short circuiting when those they've deemed "oppressed" do something actually repugnant, and they can't bring themselves to condemn acts that are objectively evil. The response to the deliberate and gleeful butchery of civilians shouldn't be to first consult the progressive stack to see who is the most aggrieved, it ought to be immediate denunciation of the responsible party, without making a bunch of caveats and excuses.

"There are no bad tactics, only bad targets" is a recipe for reciprocating atrocities, as everyone thinks their own goals and values are good and noble, some acts need to be placed beyond the pale.

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If you evacuate a hospital patients will die.
If you bomb an hospital patients will die.
Do not bomb hospitals.

Or launch poorly constructed homemade rockets into populated areas...

I have condemned the behavior of Hamas throughout this thread. Just because they behaved despicably does not excuse Israel’s despicable behavior - past or present.

wow it's almost like they don't value civilians' lives or something

"Return the hostages", says the country holding an entire ethnic group hostage.