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Balking at what God requires them to give? How can we call them Christians then if they cherry pick what's in the Bible and ignore the rest.



That's true but this is not usury.



That's true! And, so is Caesar. Of course one doesn't give what one doesn't have. I do agree with that.



Not you personally but if we go by Biblical teachings and beliefs since we claim ourselves to be a Christian nation then we are responsible for helping the poor and helping those who can't help themselves especially those who are rich and well to do. Bible believing Christians ignore this part. I'm not talking about just welfare. Even the Bible had the proverb give a man a fish he will have it for that day but if you teach a man to fish he will fish for a lifetime. Why don't we follow this proverb and actually help and uplift people and show people how to do things like how to get a job. Sometimes the best thing to help people is to hold their hand for a while and get them to be independent through baby steps.

This every man for himself, I'm gonna get mine, screw you if you don't get yours does not work and is contradicted by the bible.

How do you morally justify demanding that other people surrender their money to you?

Robin Hood morality? If so, how do you justify theft?

You've left out the element of humility. You don't want to humbly ask for anything, you want Caesar, who worships Mammon to set you up. Bypassing anything remotely Christian about the entire enterprise.

So, I'll just leave you to spin your fantasy. When you succeed, let's make a plan to meet back here. Until such time as that, you'll just have to make or not make ends meet like the rest of us, under Capitalism.

Conservatives believe they're truly helping people by booting them off of welfare.

They see liberals as ruining people, destroying families with their welfare/socialistic/free money policies.

You've left out the element of humility. You don't want to humbly ask for anything, you want Caesar, who worships Mammon to set you up. Bypassing anything remotely Christian about the entire enterprise.

So, I'll just leave you to spin your fantasy. When you succeed, let's make a plan to meet back here. Until such time as that, you'll just have to make or not make ends meet like the rest of us, under Capitalism.

CONSERVATIVE: That's not my problem! They can crowdfund. Or get a loan. Or, whatever, go on Oprah. The government doesn't owe you an education on my dime.

LIBERAL: It's not going to be your dime! You don't make that much. No one's talking about raising your taxes. If some billionaire you'll never meet gets taxed taxed to put some kid you'll never meet through school, why should you even care?

CONSERVATIVE: If somebody robs a bank that isn't my bank, I'm still opposed to robbery. I have a problem with taking money someone earned to give someone a degree they aren't owed.

LIBERAL: Why is what happens to poor people "not your problem", but what happens to rich people is? You think you're going to be rich someday?

CONSERVATIVE: Oh please. You're the one who thinks they're going to be rich.

LIBERAL: ! !! I assure you I do not.

(NARRATOR: But then he says something that blows your mind a little bit, something that makes you think you've been going about this the wrong way. Something that makes all this seeming contradictions of Republican thought maybe make some kind of sense. He says: )

CONSERVATIVE: Yes you do. Democrats think they're going to take the money from billionaires and spread it around. Give it to a bunch of poor people so they can go to college. And everyone gets a degree and everyone gets a good job and health care is free and minimum wage is eighty bucks an hour. And everyone's saving lots of money, so what then? Everyone's rich. Everyone works in tech. Everyone moves to New York and California. And nobody's a billionaire, and nobody's broke, and everyone's great at their job because all they needed was the right opportunity, and no one's better than anyone at anything. It's a fantasy, and we shouldn't have to pay you to LARP it. You think you can make everyone the same, but you can't. There's always a bigger fish!

Because I rather like having paved roads, police and emergency responders, a social safety net, and everything else that allows us to live in a civilized society that taxation provides. But I see this argument only gets heated whenever taxing the rich comes up. What is it with you people and the poor, poor rich?

The assumption you're under is that it is their money. If it is not their money in the first place then it can't be theft.

Wow .. what a couple of answers …

Am at a burglars anonymous meeting?


Your moral justification is that you want stuff?


Your moral justification is that people don't actually own the fruits of their labor?

Wow .. what a couple of answers …

Am at a burglars anonymous meeting?


Your moral justification is that you want stuff?


Your moral justification is that people don't actually own the fruits of their labor?

I find it interesting how when you discuss this matter with conservatives, they'll often talk about as if it is their money we're talking about, as if you're asking them whether they approve of something personally, and that they hold the final cards for saying yes or no. It's like we can never have a proper discussion on policy with them about these matters.

So when the democrats, like the ones in Seattle want to tax them umpteen different ways, even tax them for using the street, they shouldn't have a problem with that or take it personally. Of course it seems it's the people on welfare who think they have no right to object. Well except this person on welfare.

Funny how the conservative poor always take the side of the rich when it comes to taxation. I imagine it all goes back to the prosperity gospel taught in their evangelical churches, in which the rich are being blessed by God, while the poor have to believe just a little harder.

Isn't it funny though that the ones who b***h about the unfairness of taxes are the very ones who always say that "life is not fair" and we must accept that?

Give those folks an unfairness they don't like and all hell breaks loose. Hypocrisy with a side of sprinkles anyone?

And, our taxes are being paid to maintain the roads. So, we're already are paying to use the street.

And, therein lies the problem. They see it as their money and any form of taxation as theft which is wrong.