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19 Oct 2023, 1:58 pm


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19 Oct 2023, 3:02 pm

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If you evacuate a hospital patients will die.
If you bomb an hospital patients will die.
Do not bomb hospitals.


Easier said than done. Airstrikes on densely populated areas will always lead to some stray bombs exploding where you don't intend them to, even if you're deliberately trying to avoid that. Also, haven't we established that Israel might not be responsible for that blast at the hospital? Maybe there's been some new information in the news that I've missed?



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19 Oct 2023, 3:11 pm

Well, it seems like Israel has finally agreed to allow humanitarian aid into Gaza from Egypt:



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19 Oct 2023, 3:52 pm

Jono wrote:
BillyTree wrote:
If you evacuate a hospital patients will die.
If you bomb an hospital patients will die.
Do not bomb hospitals.


Easier said than done. Airstrikes on densely populated areas will always lead to some stray bombs exploding where you don't intend them to, even if you're deliberately trying to avoid that. Also, haven't we established that Israel might not be responsible for that blast at the hospital? Maybe there's been some new information in the news that I've missed?

Think about it like this: If it wasn't Israel, then why is Israel trying so hard to convince us that the hospital was a Hamas lair?



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19 Oct 2023, 4:07 pm

I think they’d do that either way. I will say, though, that in a post on the last page I demonstrated that they’ve been known to target healthcare services in the past… Of course, that doesn’t mean they’re responsible for this one.



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19 Oct 2023, 4:15 pm

BillyTree wrote:
If you evacuate a hospital patients will die.
If you bomb an hospital patients will die.
Do not bomb hospitals.


And if you hide your headquarters under a hospital you can use the sick as a human shield as you launch missiles at civilian targets in Israel.



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19 Oct 2023, 4:18 pm

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Several experts confirm Hamas’ view to @Channel4News that the audio tape of “Hamas” operatives talking about the missile malfunction is a fake . They say the tone, syntax, accent and idiom are absurd.

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I'm in no position to evaluate that piece of evidence, but this is interesting.


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19 Oct 2023, 4:22 pm

Barchan wrote:
Jono wrote:
BillyTree wrote:
If you evacuate a hospital patients will die.
If you bomb an hospital patients will die.
Do not bomb hospitals.


Easier said than done. Airstrikes on densely populated areas will always lead to some stray bombs exploding where you don't intend them to, even if you're deliberately trying to avoid that. Also, haven't we established that Israel might not be responsible for that blast at the hospital? Maybe there's been some new information in the news that I've missed?

Think about it like this: If it wasn't Israel, then why is Israel trying so hard to convince us that the hospital was a Hamas lair?


Because they didn't? I've never seen that seriously argued in any news article that I've read.



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19 Oct 2023, 4:23 pm

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Several experts confirm Hamas’ view to @Channel4News that the audio tape of “Hamas” operatives talking about the missile malfunction is a fake . They say the tone, syntax, accent and idiom are absurd.

alex thomson
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Chief Correspondent and Presenter, Channel 4 News.



I'm in no position to evaluate that piece of evidence, but this is interesting.


If that was true then the best experts in US advising Biden can't pick a fake?



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19 Oct 2023, 4:25 pm

cyberdad wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
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Several experts confirm Hamas’ view to @Channel4News that the audio tape of “Hamas” operatives talking about the missile malfunction is a fake . They say the tone, syntax, accent and idiom are absurd.

alex thomson
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Chief Correspondent and Presenter, Channel 4 News.



I'm in no position to evaluate that piece of evidence, but this is interesting.


If that was true then the best experts in US advising Biden can't pick a fake?


Or they don't care that's it's fake.


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19 Oct 2023, 4:29 pm

You never believe the "audio tape" evidence, unless that can be pinned without doubt to the hospital bombing.
They do the same in Ukraine, both sides like to make fake s**t up.


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19 Oct 2023, 4:54 pm

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You never believe the "audio tape" evidence, unless that can be pinned without doubt to the hospital bombing.
They do the same in Ukraine, both sides like to make fake s**t up.


The audio tape has not been independently verified anyway. However, multiple experts who have been named in various news reports that I've seen, have said that the damage done as shown in pictures of the blast are not to the extent than what an Israeli airstrike would have done.



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19 Oct 2023, 5:11 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
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Several experts confirm Hamas’ view to @Channel4News that the audio tape of “Hamas” operatives talking about the missile malfunction is a fake . They say the tone, syntax, accent and idiom are absurd.

alex thomson
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Chief Correspondent and Presenter, Channel 4 News.



I'm in no position to evaluate that piece of evidence, but this is interesting.


It was obvious it was going to be called fake at some point, it will be interesting to see if any media outlets run this.

Also in that tweet someone (Syrian Girl) posted a video claiming jet after burners can be seen in the sky just prior to the explosion - dunno how real that is as videos are so easy to fake (some posters claim different hospital and day).


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19 Oct 2023, 5:25 pm

Notice the selective demands for rigor; Hamas claims swallowed whole at face value with zero skepticism, while every Israeli claim is gone over like it's the Zapruder Film, even when there's photo and video evidence supporting it. Adding to the irony, I'm getting a lot of "just asking questions" energy from the same people who usually use that phrase as a thought terminating cliche, almost as if they never had any real principles in the first place.


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19 Oct 2023, 5:29 pm

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Notice the selective demands for rigor; Hamas claims swallowed whole at face value with zero skepticism, while every Israeli claim is gone over like it's the Zapruder Film, even when there's photo and video evidence supporting it. Adding to the irony, I'm getting a lot of "just asking questions" energy from the same people who usually use that phrase as a thought terminating cliche, almost as if they never had any real principles in the first place.


Why in gods almighty name would we believe in Israel? Frankly I don't care about Palestians dying but my god, i would never believe in what Israel says, especially when they are blowing people into minced meat.


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19 Oct 2023, 5:39 pm

Dox47 wrote:
Notice the selective demands for rigor; Hamas claims swallowed whole at face value with zero skepticism, while every Israeli claim is gone over like it's the Zapruder Film, even when there's photo and video evidence supporting it. Adding to the irony, I'm getting a lot of "just asking questions" energy from the same people who usually use that phrase as a thought terminating cliche, almost as if they never had any real principles in the first place.


Are you aiming that comment at me?


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