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07 Jul 2020, 8:47 pm

The more the woman publicizes herself from here on in, the more severe her punishment would be.



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08 Jul 2020, 1:14 am

Probably stuck her head back in now :lol:



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08 Jul 2020, 6:09 am

Birdwatcher not cooperating with investigation into Central Park ‘Karen’ Amy Cooper

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The man at the center of the Central Park ‘Karen’ fiasco has said he will not cooperate with the Manhattan District Attorney’s investigation, according to a new report.

Christian Cooper, told the New York Times on Tuesday that Amy Cooper, 41, has suffered enough since the May encounter that destroyed her career and reputation.

Amy Cooper was charged on Monday with falsely reporting an incident in the third degree.

“On the one hand, she’s already paid a steep price,” Mr. Cooper, 57, told the paper, referring to the criminal charge. “That’s not enough of a deterrent to others?”

The avid birdwatcher added, “Bringing her more misery just seems like piling on.”

“So if the DA feels the need to pursue charges, he should pursue charges. But he can do that without me,” he said, adding that greater principles are at stake.

In a now-viral May video that sparked national outrage, Cooper, a white woman, told the birdwatcher she is going to call the cops and “tell them there’s an African American man threatening my life.”

“Please tell them whatever you like,” Christian, who is no relation, responds.

She is seen taking out her cellphone, and telling police, “I’m in the Ramble and an African American man with a bicycle helmet, he is recording me and threatening my dog.”

She continues, “There is an African American man. I am in Central Park. He is recording me and threatening myself and my dog.”

The woman starts to shake and says, “I’m sorry, I can’t hear … I’m being threatened by a man in the Ramble, please send the cops immediately.”

Amy Cooper — who later apologized for the incident — was fired from her job at the investment firm Franklin Templeton.

She is set to be be arraigned in October, and could face up to a year in prison for her 911 call.


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08 Jul 2020, 6:13 am

She’ll probably get community service.



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09 Jul 2020, 4:39 am

For those interested, Amy Cooper has been now charged with filing a false police report
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-07/ ... t/12428620
District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr said in a statement that his office had charged Amy Cooper with falsely reporting the confrontation a misdemeanour.

In the statement, he urged anyone who had been the target of false reporting to contact prosecutors.

"We are strongly committed to holding perpetrators of this conduct accountable," he said.



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09 Jul 2020, 5:59 am

cyberdad wrote:
For those interested, Amy Cooper has been now charged with filing a false police report
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-07/ ... t/12428620
District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr said in a statement that his office had charged Amy Cooper with falsely reporting the confrontation a misdemeanour.

In the statement, he urged anyone who had been the target of false reporting to contact prosecutors.

"We are strongly committed to holding perpetrators of this conduct accountable," he said.


It would be interesting to know how often "false reporting" has been prosecuted in the past...

According to Nate Broady, a lawyer on youtube (former law enforcement (10 years) and later prosecutor in this same district), he never saw anyone prosecuted for "false reporting".

A discussion regarding the issue (including examples he saw which weren't prosecuted):


I wouldn't be surprised to see that she is found "not guilty" in the case, based on what I have seen regarding this issue, and if "false reporting" is as rarely charged as suggested, that would certainly work in her favor.



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09 Jul 2020, 6:19 am

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I wouldn't be surprised to see that she is found "not guilty" in the case, based on what I have seen regarding this issue, and if "false reporting" is as rarely charged as suggested, that would certainly work in her favor.


One of the reasons this hasn't been prosecuted in the past is that "alleged" perpatrators weren't caught in the act live on camera.

If Amy Cooper was not filmed she could argue (probably successfully) that Christian Cooper threatened her. But if you read prosecutor Cyrus Vance Jnr's account (on a side note: he's the son of the former US secratary of State under Jimmy Carter) Amy Cooper made an audible threat and now the police agree its worth going to court.

Yes its possible it will end up not guilty (based largely on Cooper's embarrassment at being a global laughing stock and her subsequent loss of employment) that she has suffered enough. Or it may create a legal precedence which will be bad news for future "Karens" caught in the act.



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09 Jul 2020, 6:39 am

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Brictoria wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised to see that she is found "not guilty" in the case, based on what I have seen regarding this issue, and if "false reporting" is as rarely charged as suggested, that would certainly work in her favor.


One of the reasons this hasn't been prosecuted in the past is that "alleged" perpatrators weren't caught in the act live on camera.

If Amy Cooper was not filmed she could argue (probably successfully) that Christian Cooper threatened her. But if you read prosecutor Cyrus Vance Jnr's account (on a side note: he's the son of the former US secratary of State under Jimmy Carter) Amy Cooper made an audible threat and now the police agree its worth going to court.

Yes its possible it will end up not guilty (based largely on Cooper's embarrassment at being a global laughing stock and her subsequent loss of employment) that she has suffered enough. Or it may create a legal precedence which will be bad news for future "Karens" caught in the act.


Or it could be that she is found "not guilty" due to HER belief at the time that she (and her dog) were being threatened through "If you're going to do what you want to do, then I'll do what I want to do and you might not like it"...

As to the "alleged" perpatrators weren't caught in the act, one of the examples given in the video (which you obviously didn't bother to look at) was people signing false reports in a police station, along with another involving a girl accusing a group of raping her, which was found to be malicious (and false reporting) after video was discovered showing she instigated everything and had only lodger a report with the police because one of the people involved told others about what had happened and it put her in a bad light.

Please, just once, try to take of the "racism" glasses, and look at things objectively.



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09 Jul 2020, 6:49 am

“False reporting” is actually prosecuted fairly often. I know because I work in the NYC Criminal Courts.

You can be charged with false reporting if you pull a fire alarm when there is no fire. Mentally ill people call the police all the time when no crime has been committed.

Very rarely do people charged with false reporting go to jail. They often get community service or mandated treatment. It is a misdemeanor. It’s PL 240.50 (third degree).



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09 Jul 2020, 7:01 am

She reported the truth.

"There is an African American man. I am in Central Park. He is recording me and threatening myself and my dog.”

So, I don't see how the prosecutor can say it was "false".


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09 Jul 2020, 7:09 am

He didn’t actually “threaten her” with physical harm.

If she keeps her mouth shut, she’ll probably get an ACD with community service.

The CW (civilian witness) has refused to cooperate.

It’s possible that the case will be dismissed.



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09 Jul 2020, 7:12 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
He didn’t actually “threaten her” with physical harm.

If she keeps her mouth shut, she’ll probably get an ACD with community service.

The CW (civilian witness) has refused to cooperate.

It’s possible that the case will be dismissed.

She didn't say he '"threatened her with physical harm".

His threat was unspecified, "I am going to do something you won't like".


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09 Jul 2020, 7:16 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
He didn’t actually “threaten her” with physical harm.

If she keeps her mouth shut, she’ll probably get an ACD with community service.

The CW (civilian witness) has refused to cooperate.

It’s possible that the case will be dismissed.


"I'll do what I want and you might not like it" sure sounds like a threat to me...

There doesn't need to be specific mention of physical harm for it to be able to be interpreted as a threat, and judging by her demeanour in the video, she certainly didn't look or sound like she was feeling safe in the situation she was in.

Having heard who her lawyer is (Robert Barnes), I'm fairly sure she'll be fighting this one.



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09 Jul 2020, 7:19 am

I bet she’d take the ACD if it’s offered.



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09 Jul 2020, 7:24 am

She should setup a GO FUND ME page and ask for legal defense donations.


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09 Jul 2020, 7:50 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
I bet she’d take the ACD if it’s offered.


From what I know of Robert Barnes (who I understand is her lawyer), I'd be very surprised were that to happen...