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14 Feb 2022, 9:58 pm

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14 Feb 2022, 10:13 pm

Well it ate my post during the captcha.
Kids always look like pawns or props at ANY protest.I wouldn’t take mine , and that is just me as a parent.Not taking any sides.It reminds me of when homeless people take their kids begging and you don’t know if they are really in need or just using them for sympathy.
Small kids would be bored and whine constantly, “ when are we going home?I wanna go home.” I’ve heard the whine of a bored toddler before, it’s what they do best.
Sadly parents put kids on bad situations all the time, it’s why there is child protection services.Being a parent doesn’t automatically mean you make good decisions.


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14 Feb 2022, 10:16 pm

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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command - George Orwell, 1984


Which brought us to:
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Just ... stop. Don't. You KNOW those few select images tell an incomplete and biased story. In ANY protest, if you want to paint a biased picture, you can find a way to get the photo you want. That isn't enough to tell the story.

But if you are going to insist on playing a "what about" game bringing in BLM:

There is a difference between protesting because, um, you are afraid of being killed because of the color of your skin, and being frustrated you can't cross a border with vaccinations you don't want to take. Isn't the vaccination requirement ONLY for crossing the border, and haven't 90% of truckers already been fully vaccinated? I respect their right to protest, but lets have some perspective. No one is actually making anyone do anything.

There is a different between marching in your human body and using a giant hunk of metal to block traffic and supply chain deliveries.

Hm, being treated as a lesser citizen everywhere you go v. being asked to vaccinate if you want to cross a border ... it's no contest, but I STILL believe in everyone's right to protest and be heard. What I do NOT support is controversy over the trucker protests as an opportunity to trash BLM and the decisions made at that point in time.


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14 Feb 2022, 10:18 pm

Misslizard wrote:
Well it ate my post during the captcha.
Kids always look like pawns or props at ANY protest.I wouldn’t take mine , and that is just me as a parent.Not taking any sides.It reminds me of when homeless people take their kids begging and you don’t know if they are really in need or just using them for sympathy.
Small kids would be bored and whine constantly, “ when are we going home?I wanna go home.” I’ve heard the whine of a bored toddler before, it’s what they do best.


Ugh I hate that. But very much appreciate that your post reminded me to copy before hitting submit.

I do agree with your point, although it varies by family. I do know of some kids that share their parent's energy on issues and want to participate in protests, but I generally feel that these issues are far too complex to adequately explain to children. Some kids do actually feed on the energy of crowds, though; it isn't relatable to me given that both my kids are nuero-diverse and have sensory issues.


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14 Feb 2022, 10:33 pm

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... but this is basically a "sit-in", not an aggressive mob.


A sit in that is breaking laws and drawing the attention of police, who are attempting to disperse the action. Not commenting on if that is right or wrong of the police; just pointing out the reality.

If you are going to break a law or knowingly enter an area of protest that is breaking the law, but bring your kids, you are knowingly putting the kids at risk. Intentional or not, the kids become pawns in a tactical move that will inhibit the ability of police to do their jobs.

Kids at protests are a fact of life but parents usually carefully stick to peaceful, legal protests. Remember that massive protests aren't monolithic; there is usually a mix of peaceful v not, and it isn't that hard to stay away from conflict areas. If the presence of children is hampering the job of police, then the presence of the kids is not being carefully limited to peaceful, legal protests.


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14 Feb 2022, 10:45 pm

Misslizard wrote:
Well it ate my post during the captcha.
Kids always look like pawns or props at ANY protest.I wouldn’t take mine , and that is just me as a parent.Not taking any sides.It reminds me of when homeless people take their kids begging and you don’t know if they are really in need or just using them for sympathy.
Small kids would be bored and whine constantly, “ when are we going home?I wanna go home.” I’ve heard the whine of a bored toddler before, it’s what they do best.
Sadly parents put kids on bad situations all the time, it’s why there is child protection services.Being a parent doesn’t automatically mean you make good decisions.


There's an interesting video with parents at the protest being interviewed about why they have their children there:
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Mainstream media outlets have recently claimed to be concerned about the safety of children during the Freedom Convoy movement. Some even went so far as to suggest sending child protection to take back the children of truckers' families who had their children with them at the Ottawa demonstration.

I went out on the field to ask parents questions to find out why it was important for them to bring their child to the event.

Source (with video containing interviews): https://www.rebelnews.com/parents_tell_us_why_they_brought_their_children_to_freedom_convoy_events



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14 Feb 2022, 11:02 pm

Brictoria wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Well it ate my post during the captcha.
Kids always look like pawns or props at ANY protest.I wouldn’t take mine , and that is just me as a parent.Not taking any sides.It reminds me of when homeless people take their kids begging and you don’t know if they are really in need or just using them for sympathy.
Small kids would be bored and whine constantly, “ when are we going home?I wanna go home.” I’ve heard the whine of a bored toddler before, it’s what they do best.
Sadly parents put kids on bad situations all the time, it’s why there is child protection services.Being a parent doesn’t automatically mean you make good decisions.


There's an interesting video with parents at the protest being interviewed about why they have their children there:
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Mainstream media outlets have recently claimed to be concerned about the safety of children during the Freedom Convoy movement. Some even went so far as to suggest sending child protection to take back the children of truckers' families who had their children with them at the Ottawa demonstration.

I went out on the field to ask parents questions to find out why it was important for them to bring their child to the event.

Source (with video containing interviews): https://www.rebelnews.com/parents_tell_us_why_they_brought_their_children_to_freedom_convoy_events

I doubt the babies remember any of it or the smaller ones grasp the concept.
The hockey did look fun, and I hope they all do have hotel rooms instead of sleeping in trucks.I can’t even imagine being stuck in a berth for weeks with my two and my ex.
Of course that video is going to make it look great, they edited out the screaming kids because people won’t donate.lol


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14 Feb 2022, 11:21 pm

Misslizard wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Well it ate my post during the captcha.
Kids always look like pawns or props at ANY protest.I wouldn’t take mine , and that is just me as a parent.Not taking any sides.It reminds me of when homeless people take their kids begging and you don’t know if they are really in need or just using them for sympathy.
Small kids would be bored and whine constantly, “ when are we going home?I wanna go home.” I’ve heard the whine of a bored toddler before, it’s what they do best.
Sadly parents put kids on bad situations all the time, it’s why there is child protection services.Being a parent doesn’t automatically mean you make good decisions.


There's an interesting video with parents at the protest being interviewed about why they have their children there:
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Mainstream media outlets have recently claimed to be concerned about the safety of children during the Freedom Convoy movement. Some even went so far as to suggest sending child protection to take back the children of truckers' families who had their children with them at the Ottawa demonstration.

I went out on the field to ask parents questions to find out why it was important for them to bring their child to the event.

Source (with video containing interviews): https://www.rebelnews.com/parents_tell_us_why_they_brought_their_children_to_freedom_convoy_events

I doubt the babies remember any of it or the smaller ones grasp the concept.
The hockey did look fun, and I hope they all do have hotel rooms instead of sleeping in trucks.I can’t even imagine being stuck in a berth for weeks with my two and my ex.
Of course that video is going to make it look great, they edited out the screaming kids because people won’t donate.lol

No doubt other media will visit the protest to record any screaming kids.

Having done some research, it's possible that there could be some degree of risk to the children, if past events are any guide:
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It's somewhat more interesting (and potentially relevent) when you consider who was Prime Minister at that time...



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14 Feb 2022, 11:43 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command - George Orwell, 1984


Which brought us to:
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Just ... stop. Don't. You KNOW those few select images tell an incomplete and biased story. In ANY protest, if you want to paint a biased picture, you can find a way to get the photo you want. That isn't enough to tell the story.


Out of curiosity, how many "negative" acts (violence, property damage, theft, etc.) can be associated with\connected to either set of protests?

Now, how much focus did the media place on presenting "positive" news about the former protests, compared to the "negative" coverage.
And, how much focus has the media placed on presenting "positive" news about this current protest, compared to the "negative" coverage.



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15 Feb 2022, 12:58 am

^^^ There is no homogeneous entity to refer to as “the media.” What images are presented and which events are highlighted depends on the political affiliation (if any) of the presenting organization. My assumption is simple: if you are not getting a mixed image of ANY National / international protest movement, you are only seeing a slanted take.

I am seeing plenty of inconsistent and mixed images and stories on the trucking situation, varying by source, so it isn’t all peaceful as your presentation suggested. It is also, quite significantly, getting very disruptive and costly to consumers and workers on BOTH sides of the border. The later is economic fact. Not nearly as dramatic as burning buildings, but not any less economically harmful.


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15 Feb 2022, 1:13 am

Brictoria wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Well it ate my post during the captcha.
Kids always look like pawns or props at ANY protest.I wouldn’t take mine , and that is just me as a parent.Not taking any sides.It reminds me of when homeless people take their kids begging and you don’t know if they are really in need or just using them for sympathy.
Small kids would be bored and whine constantly, “ when are we going home?I wanna go home.” I’ve heard the whine of a bored toddler before, it’s what they do best.
Sadly parents put kids on bad situations all the time, it’s why there is child protection services.Being a parent doesn’t automatically mean you make good decisions.


There's an interesting video with parents at the protest being interviewed about why they have their children there:
Quote:
Mainstream media outlets have recently claimed to be concerned about the safety of children during the Freedom Convoy movement. Some even went so far as to suggest sending child protection to take back the children of truckers' families who had their children with them at the Ottawa demonstration.

I went out on the field to ask parents questions to find out why it was important for them to bring their child to the event.

Source (with video containing interviews): https://www.rebelnews.com/parents_tell_us_why_they_brought_their_children_to_freedom_convoy_events

I doubt the babies remember any of it or the smaller ones grasp the concept.
The hockey did look fun, and I hope they all do have hotel rooms instead of sleeping in trucks.I can’t even imagine being stuck in a berth for weeks with my two and my ex.
Of course that video is going to make it look great, they edited out the screaming kids because people won’t donate.lol

No doubt other media will visit the protest to record any screaming kids.

Having done some research, it's possible that there could be some degree of risk to the children, if past events are any guide:
Image

It's somewhat more interesting (and potentially relevent) when you consider who was Prime Minister at that time...

That settles it.It’s not safe to have kids anywhere near these guys.
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15 Feb 2022, 1:22 am

DW_a_mom wrote:
^^^ There is no homogeneous entity to refer to as “the media.” What images are presented and which events are highlighted depends on the political affiliation (if any) of the presenting organization. My assumption is simple: if you are not getting a mixed image of ANY National / international protest movement, you are only seeing a slanted take.

I wasn't referring to an individual entity, but averaged across the whole of the media (but you are clever enough to have known that)... However, your attempt at avoiding answering the very simple questions asked is certainly telling.

DW_a_mom wrote:
I am seeing plenty of inconsistent and mixed images and stories on the trucking situation, varying by source, so it isn’t all peaceful as your presentation suggested. It is also, quite significantly, getting very disruptive and costly to consumers and workers on BOTH sides of the border. The later is economic fact. Not nearly as dramatic as burning buildings, but not any less economically harmful.


So, should a strike start "getting very disruptive and costly to consumers and workers on BOTH sides of the border.", you'd condone similar actions taken by a government (perhaps in the U.S.A., even) to be enacted (including such steps as freezing the bank accounts of people connected with the strike, with no legal recourse available to those people for this occurring), rather than having the 2 sides sit down and try to work out a compromise (something which the Canadian Prime Minister has taken all possible steps to avoid so far, which is a major cause for the duration of the protests)?



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https://angusreid.org/trudeau-convoy-tr ... -covid-19/

Canadians have gotten sick of this protest and want arrests to be made and think they should go home.


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15 Feb 2022, 4:53 am

Brictoria wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
^^^ There is no homogeneous entity to refer to as “the media.” What images are presented and which events are highlighted depends on the political affiliation (if any) of the presenting organization. My assumption is simple: if you are not getting a mixed image of ANY National / international protest movement, you are only seeing a slanted take.

I wasn't referring to an individual entity, but averaged across the whole of the media (but you are clever enough to have known that)... However, your attempt at avoiding answering the very simple questions asked is certainly telling.

DW_a_mom wrote:
I am seeing plenty of inconsistent and mixed images and stories on the trucking situation, varying by source, so it isn’t all peaceful as your presentation suggested. It is also, quite significantly, getting very disruptive and costly to consumers and workers on BOTH sides of the border. The later is economic fact. Not nearly as dramatic as burning buildings, but not any less economically harmful.


So, should a strike start "getting very disruptive and costly to consumers and workers on BOTH sides of the border.", you'd condone similar actions taken by a government (perhaps in the U.S.A., even) to be enacted (including such steps as freezing the bank accounts of people connected with the strike, with no legal recourse available to those people for this occurring), rather than having the 2 sides sit down and try to work out a compromise (something which the Canadian Prime Minister has taken all possible steps to avoid so far, which is a major cause for the duration of the protests)?


I’ve consistently limited my comments on the protest to generalized overview. I’m not going deeper than that on this topic because I don’t want to invest that level of time.


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