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19 Jan 2021, 12:37 pm

an attack would be something like a certain russian politician saying "we will bury you." short of that, it is just criticism. the only one beyond reproach is god.

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19 Jan 2021, 12:44 pm

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Attacking America is a personal attack against me, because I am an American.[/color]

Americans were Europeans before they went rogue and became Americans. Then there's all that slaughter and colonization off the orginal residents, but lets not speak about such unpleasantness. Don't get me wrong, i admire aspects of american culture , im not a hater, but i find national identity is somewhat a arbritray thing to take so personal, i mean they rise and fall all the time.

If you could go back in time, you'de probably hear such proclamations. "Attacking Cartage is a personal attack against me, because I am an Carthaginian."
yeah, lets forget our common bonds as a species and identify with some land territory that some psychopathic ancestors carved out themselves. But i get it, you might object that Americans are somehow different, more noble , more superior, shining city on the hill etc. better than all the other nation states. I'm not sure history bears that out though under closer scrutiny.

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19 Jan 2021, 12:50 pm

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an attack would be something like a certain russian politician saying "we will bury you." short of that, it is just criticism. the only one beyond reproach is god.

Krushcev didn't believe in god. But i bet like all leaders who gain power over others he definitely believed he was beyond reproach.

What if God is just a nonhuman symbolic entity concept used and created by men..leaders who want to gain power over others. But they dont want their power questioned so they invoke "God." a entity beyond themselves, not demonstratable in any tangible way, in order to shift blame, and give a reason for their actions that is "beyond reproach". in order to become unassailable or infallible in the eyes of the masses. Sometimes i wonder.

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19 Jan 2021, 12:50 pm

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I am not the POTUS, just an American; so while attacking America is an attack against all Americans, attacking one American -- for anything other than being an American -- is not attacking me.

That seems okay. I can be touchy with attacking my nation, too. Is pointing out issues of North American culture or politics an attack?

Are they based on fake news, opinions, outright lies, and/or stereotypes? If so, then yes -- subversive, but still an attack.

Even the POTUS, when (s)he uses these methods, is attacking America.

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19 Jan 2021, 1:06 pm

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Are they based on fake news, opinions, outright lies, and/or stereotypes? If so, then yes -- subversive, but still an attack.

Even the POTUS, when (s)he uses these methods, is attacking America.

In my opinion, mainstream American culture is too competitive and it would benefit from more cooperation <- is that an attack?

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19 Jan 2021, 1:18 pm

I think it's so difficult to have any discussion on issues without making anyone feel attacked. This goes down to the time when I told my mom, how most people will compare stuff to Hitler and my mom took that as an attack on her character because somehow she decided she didn't want to be a minority here and she wanted to be most people. :roll:

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19 Jan 2021, 1:23 pm

magz wrote:

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Are they based on fake news, opinions, outright lies, and/or stereotypes? If so, then yes -- subversive, but still an attack. Even the POTUS, when (s)he uses these methods, is attacking America.

In my opinion, mainstream American culture is too competitive and it would benefit from more cooperation <- is that an attack?

This does not seem to be an attack. If you had said, "In my opinion, Americans are too competitive and it would benefit from more cooperation", that could be seen as an attack, even with the "softener" you placed in the second half, because the term "Americans are..." implies that ALL "Americans are..." a certain way, which is a sweeping generalization that does not hold true for everyone.

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19 Jan 2021, 1:32 pm

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I think I understand her POV. I do not enjoy the use of ancestry or cosmetic differences as social boundaries. When I found out that I have Native American / First Nations ancestry, I thought it was so great that I shared the news with my classmates in the third grade; but when recess came, I found myself tied to a tree while the other kids whooped and hollered and danced around while throwing dirt in my face and rocks at my head.

Why does being different mean being outcast as well?

At least all those years of social isolation prepared me for our current pandemic situation.

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19 Jan 2021, 1:33 pm

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Are you seriously telling me my mom was worried that the fact if she was in the minority who doesn't make Hitler comparisons, she would be an outcast?

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19 Jan 2021, 1:48 pm

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I think I understand her POV. I do not enjoy the use of ancestry or cosmetic differences as social boundaries. When I found out that I have Native American / First Nations ancestry, I thought it was so great that I shared the news with my classmates in the third grade; but when recess came, I found myself tied to a tree while the other kids whooped and hollered and danced around while throwing dirt in my face and rocks at my head. Why does being different mean being outcast as well? At least all those years of social isolation prepared me for our current pandemic situation.

Are you seriously telling me my mom was worried that the fact if she was in the minority who doesn't make Hitler comparisons, she would be an outcast?

Not sure if I understand your question...

I think your mom may have been concerned for you, because her "minority status" may have already made her a target for racism; and that sometimes, minority people learn the hard way that drawing attention to one's self could get one's self hurt.

I think she may have been trying to express concern for your safety.

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19 Jan 2021, 2:14 pm

Fnord wrote:

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I think I understand her POV. I do not enjoy the use of ancestry or cosmetic differences as social boundaries. When I found out that I have Native American / First Nations ancestry, I thought it was so great that I shared the news with my classmates in the third grade; but when recess came, I found myself tied to a tree while the other kids whooped and hollered and danced around while throwing dirt in my face and rocks at my head. Why does being different mean being outcast as well? At least all those years of social isolation prepared me for our current pandemic situation.

Are you seriously telling me my mom was worried that the fact if she was in the minority who doesn't make Hitler comparisons, she would be an outcast?

When I said minority, I meant she was in the minority of people who don't make Hitler comparisons because I said "most people" and she took offense to "most people" so I told her she wasn't most people then when she told me she doesn't do that.

Sorry, I thought you had read this story by me several times so I use it as an analogy now for peoples mindsets for when they take offense to things people say thinking it also implies them.

You may try to avoid saying "all men" or "all women" "all Americans" but someone will still take offense even if you don't say those words and use "most" instead.

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19 Jan 2021, 2:25 pm

Okay ... I was off-base ... I picked a helluva day to go decaff ...

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19 Jan 2021, 2:51 pm

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canad ... hSXFilqMi0

Sound familiar?

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19 Jan 2021, 2:58 pm

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55648011?fbclid=IwAR1pKcXzlJIR1AoccyG6q8VoIwchh28SYfaoA96EI6ZdEiZD3hSXFilqMi0

Sound familiar?

Like a Hollywood remake of a disaster movie.

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19 Jan 2021, 3:00 pm

that messes with my head. does wilmington even deserve to still exist as an entity? but POC still live there, they should in some manner get the "keys to the city" in as many ways as smart people can conjure.

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19 Jan 2021, 3:25 pm

Aside from the French Revolution, was there ever a coup that directly created a democracy?

I do not include the American revolution as a coup because the Americans did not invade Buckingham Palace, capture King George, and imprison/execute him for "Crimes Against the People".

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