[IMPORTANT] Hamas launches foot assault against settlements.

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20 Oct 2023, 3:17 am

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...as with Fatah and the PLO before them is the eradication of Israel...

You should be aware that the PLO was a signatory to the Oslo Accords..

It wasn't till 1996, the PLO nullified the articles of the PLO's Charter, or parts of it, which called for the destruction of Israel and for armed resistance. This actually had more to do with Yasser Arafat converting to christianity than to do with the will of the PLO


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You dodged this part, so just in case you didn't notice.

Fatah recognizes Israel's right to exist


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20 Oct 2023, 4:23 am

^^^ This is a curious thing...? given the current affairs there .^^^^ 8O


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20 Oct 2023, 7:28 am

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That was a scary watch, I hope his predictions are wrong.


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20 Oct 2023, 8:39 am

Most of the reason I just post my two cents and don't argue back on this particular issue is because the same people who drone on and on about Palestinian Genocide, don't batt an eye at the fact that Israel/Israelis had to wait nearly 20 years to be acknowledged as human beings. It's easier to slaughter people when you don't even believe they have a right to exist.

Yet, if you do DNA testing for the entire Middle East, the Jews are a Middle Eastern people. Where did they spring up from? From under a rock, with no ties to the land they are on? No, beginning in 1947 they were placed by the UN, in the location that to this day is still offering up archeological artifacts that support this was their homeland before the diaspora. Up to that point the land was occupied by the Palestinians, not the other way around. Ancient Israel was occupied by Palestinians, when the Jews returned to the land of their ancestors, aided by the UN (so another HOLOCAUST could not happen again!), the Palestinians were routed out.

What did that land look like, back then? It was the desert equivalent of a slum... With hard work and the ingenious Jewish mind, it became the prosperous land it was in days gone by, because it had a secret (not so secret) ingredient: God.

What land do you live on? Is it a land that was owned by your ancestors from 2,000-3,000years ago? If so, you're very fortunate and honorable. I can't say the same. I live on a land I'm not entitled to, it belongs to the Timucuan and Seminole Native American tribes. The UN didn't exist when the settlers came in and destroyed the people and their fascinating and unique cultures. Then, kept encroaching, relegating them to tiny plots of land and alcoholism. There was a study done, it shows that these people lack an enzyme to break down alcohol. They never needed "spirits," they felt that feeling naturally through their spiritual practices. And we took that from them and gave them a deadly substitute. We committed genocide. And I am sick to death of the fake a**, holier than thou, people who share this country with me. The ones who are home owners, on stolen land. The ones who shop in stores on top of ancient burial mounds and take vacations to see the wonders of this land where tribes used to live. They're full of sh**!

If you feel that strongly about genocide, I challenge you to pack your sh** and leave your home, right now. Because until you do, I call B.S. Charity begins at home and you're already complicit by just staying put. Until you do that, and post pics, or it didn't happen, you're just virtue signaling.

On Oct 7th, 2023 these Jewish individuals were bothering NO ONE. Simply existing is not inciting or asking to be slaughtered. Simply living life is NOT asking for it...


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20 Oct 2023, 9:06 am

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What did that land look like, back then? It was the desert equivalent of a slum... With hard work and the ingenious Jewish mind, it became the prosperous land it was in days gone by, because it had a secret (not so secret) ingredient: God.
Are you a Ben Shapiro fan?

Planet Earth is “home.” I don’t care about America more than other places. Just because injustices, including genocide, have existed in the past doesn’t mean that current injustices, including genocide, are okay.

The UN published this yesterday:

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The experts raised serious humanitarian and legal concerns over Israel tightening its 16-year siege of the enclave and its population and long-standing occupation, depriving 2.2 million people of essential food, fuel, water, electricity and medicine. An estimated 50,000 pregnant women in Gaza, are in desperate need of prenatal and postnatal care. The number of internally displaced people across the Gaza Strip is estimated at around one million.

They recalled that the UN Security Council has repeatedly condemned the use of starvation of civilians as a method of warfare, which is prohibited under international humanitarian and criminal law. The unlawful denial of humanitarian access and depriving civilians of objects indispensable to their survival are also a violation of international humanitarian law, the experts warned.

The UN experts called for the protection of all humanitarian workers, after the World Health Organization (WHO) documented more than 136 attacks on health care services in the occupied Palestinian territory, including 59 attacks on the Gaza Strip, which resulted in the death of at least 16 health workers since the beginning of hostilities on 7 October. Israeli bombardment on Gaza has also killed 15 staff of the United Nations Refugee Works Agency (UNRWA) and four Palestine Red Crescent paramedics in an ambulance. An ambulance driver of Magen David Adom in Israel lost his life while driving to treat injured people.

“The complete siege of Gaza coupled with unfeasible evacuation orders and forcible population transfers, is a violation of international humanitarian and criminal law. It is also unspeakably cruel,” the experts said.

They recalled that the wilful and systematic destruction of civilian homes and infrastructure, known as ‘domicide’, and cutting off drinking water, medicine, and essential food is clearly prohibited under international criminal law.

“We are sounding the alarm: There is an ongoing campaign by Israel resulting in crimes against humanity in Gaza. Considering statements made by Israeli political leaders and their allies, accompanied by military action in Gaza and escalation of arrests and killing in the West Bank, there is also a risk of genocide against the Palestine people,” the experts said.

“There are no justifications or exceptions for such crimes. We are appalled by the inaction of the international community in the face of belligerent war-mongering,” the experts said.

“The Gazan population, half of whom are children, have already suffered many decades of unlawful brutal occupation and lived under the blockade for 16 years,” the experts said.

“It is time to immediately cease fire and ensure urgent and unimpeded access to essential humanitarian supplies, including food, water, shelter, medicine, fuel and electricity. The physical safety of the civilian population must be guaranteed,” the experts said.

“The occupation needs to end and there must be reparation, restitution and reconstruction, towards full justice for Palestinians,” they said.


https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases ... t-humanity



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20 Oct 2023, 11:39 am

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The UN published this yesterday:

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The experts raised serious humanitarian and legal concerns over Israel tightening its 16-year siege of the enclave and its population and long-standing occupation, depriving 2.2 million people of essential food, fuel, water, electricity and medicine. An estimated 50,000 pregnant women in Gaza, are in desperate need of prenatal and postnatal care. The number of internally displaced people across the Gaza Strip is estimated at around one million.

They recalled that the UN Security Council has repeatedly condemned the use of starvation of civilians as a method of warfare, which is prohibited under international humanitarian and criminal law. The unlawful denial of humanitarian access and depriving civilians of objects indispensable to their survival are also a violation of international humanitarian law, the experts warned.

The UN experts called for the protection of all humanitarian workers, after the World Health Organization (WHO) documented more than 136 attacks on health care services in the occupied Palestinian territory, including 59 attacks on the Gaza Strip, which resulted in the death of at least 16 health workers since the beginning of hostilities on 7 October. Israeli bombardment on Gaza has also killed 15 staff of the United Nations Refugee Works Agency (UNRWA) and four Palestine Red Crescent paramedics in an ambulance. An ambulance driver of Magen David Adom in Israel lost his life while driving to treat injured people.

“The complete siege of Gaza coupled with unfeasible evacuation orders and forcible population transfers, is a violation of international humanitarian and criminal law. It is also unspeakably cruel,” the experts said.

They recalled that the wilful and systematic destruction of civilian homes and infrastructure, known as ‘domicide’, and cutting off drinking water, medicine, and essential food is clearly prohibited under international criminal law.

“We are sounding the alarm: There is an ongoing campaign by Israel resulting in crimes against humanity in Gaza. Considering statements made by Israeli political leaders and their allies, accompanied by military action in Gaza and escalation of arrests and killing in the West Bank, there is also a risk of genocide against the Palestine people,” the experts said.

“There are no justifications or exceptions for such crimes. We are appalled by the inaction of the international community in the face of belligerent war-mongering,” the experts said.

“The Gazan population, half of whom are children, have already suffered many decades of unlawful brutal occupation and lived under the blockade for 16 years,” the experts said.

“It is time to immediately cease fire and ensure urgent and unimpeded access to essential humanitarian supplies, including food, water, shelter, medicine, fuel and electricity. The physical safety of the civilian population must be guaranteed,” the experts said.

“The occupation needs to end and there must be reparation, restitution and reconstruction, towards full justice for Palestinians,” they said.


https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases ... t-humanity


But..but...but. they didn't denounce Hamas thus are Hamas simps. 8O


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20 Oct 2023, 11:40 am

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Who on here has not called Hamas out for their actions?  I've not seen that.
I've noted a general lean-in toward sympathy for Hamas on this website.  I have none, however.

You seem to be confusing sympathy for Palestinians more generally with sympathy for Hamas in particular. As far as I can tell, nobody in this thread likes Hamas.


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20 Oct 2023, 11:54 am

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But..but...but. they didn't denounce Hamas thus are Hamas simps. 8O

:lol:

That seems to be what people have been suggesting in this thread which I don't fully understand. Maybe it's because I've never really experienced tribalism since I never had a tribe. People often love a particular sports team and won't acknowledge when their team doesn't play fair or cheats in some way. I've observed that people tend to have a similar outlook when it comes to warfare. They pick a side and then justify everything their side does, expressing little to no sympathy or concern for civilians on the other side who are caught in the crossfire. I suppose I understand on an intellectual level but not so much a human one.

In this thread, people expected me to be pro the war on Iraq (etc.) because I'm from America. I'm a human being first, and I have disagreed with the American government on a lot of different occasions. I try to approach any political issue with as balanced and unbiased a stance as possible. I know that my government, as well as any other, is not above lying or behaving in inhumane ways.

Hamas's behavior was/is evil but that doesn't mean that the IDF's behavior has been remotely okay - now or in the past.



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20 Oct 2023, 12:17 pm

Iran's Foreign Ministry says that Hamas potentially is ready to release the 200 hostages it is holding if Israel stops its campaign of airstrikes on the Gaza Strip.

Iran is being the spokesman of Iran directly, that only means that Hamas achieved nothing behind the attack, only Iran did, for halting the Saudi-Israel deal.

Hamas (Iran) just released two American hostages as a sign of goodwill.


Al Sisi’s biggest fear is ceding Sina to Palestinian refugees, because he knows well that once the Palestinians cross the border, Israel will never allow them back, it will be a one way trip. Their presence in Sinai will eventually lead to a conflict between Egypt and Israel, as very likely Hamas will operate from Egyptian territory and attempt for revenge operations (against Israel).

It seems to me that the winner of all this so far is Iran, the biggest losers are the Palestinians; and in case they use their other Hezbo puppet, Lebanon too. And Egypt is in big trouble.



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20 Oct 2023, 1:13 pm

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Fatah recognizes Israel's right to exist


Israelis kill Fatah guys too so maybe Israel doesn't actually want a peaceful solution



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20 Oct 2023, 2:12 pm

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They bombed a Hamas HQ that was near the church, and the church was damaged; that's from the link you posted. Why light your credibility on fire like that?


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20 Oct 2023, 3:05 pm

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That seems to be what people have been suggesting in this thread which I don't fully understand.


There is a vibe in this thread that I can't put my finger on, but maybe that's just me as I tend to stick to light-hearted threads.


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20 Oct 2023, 4:13 pm

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There is a vibe in this thread that I can't put my finger on, but maybe that's just me as I tend to stick to light-hearted threads.


One side is afraid to fully voice their opinions, but it's not the side that usually has that problem, and they're not used to what it feels like.


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