Trudeau flees as first 1,000 Trucks Arrive in Ottawa

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Just part of a 'peaceful protest' kit.

A machete is always needed for peaceful protests.

am standing by my post ....
... the politicians need to be responsible to all of the people . And if he is responsible to the people he should address the situation, not avoiding it. it is offensive that you compare these protestors to terrorists . Perhaps you are employed by the same political individuals that caused this mess by creating mandates . If it were not for these truckers the food supplies and etc . Would be in a world of hurt .These were/ Are the most essential workers . And disregarding them shows a blatant disrespect for the people and operations of the country.

Intentionally staying away from any discussion of potential actual violent or threatening activity (protesting with a weapon is threatening violence IMHO), and just delving into your characterization of peaceful resistance, the issue becomes one of looking for lines, doesn't it?

Purely academic discussion, but it is obvious to me that not all "peaceful" actions are OK. In fact, they can be more dangerous and nefarious than non-peaceful ones.

Consider:

if a financial manager diverts $1,000,000 in funds to his own pockets, we know a crime has been committed, but no violence. If I physically grab a candy bar from you, that is consider violence. Which is the greater crime? When does A take over B?

If the Trump team had succeeded in denying the electoral college votes and installed Trump as president, there wouldn't have been any violence, but our government would have been stolen and our constitution overturned. Fight over whether or not it would have qualified as an insurrection or coup, it would have been just as illegitimate. Now compare that to frustrated or even angry protests over an election loss that create some physical damage but don't overturn the constitution. Which is worse? When does B overtake A?

Is a protest "just" or "peaceful" simply because no punches are thrown?

What if the threat of violence is ever present, just not used?

Isn't the presence of a vehicle that can run you over and kill you a threat of violence?

What about the economics? US prices on cars are going to sky rocket due to the supply chain issues. That is people like me paying for an issue being fought about in another country. That creates a strong, international test of how "just" a cause might be, doesn't it? In the case of Mandela, people across the world supported his resistance because his cause was just. The international pressure was very consistent. In this case you don't have the same near universal perception of who is in the right. They got their international attention, all right. But is it sufficiently in their favor for international pressure to create the change they can't on their own?

I think that when you try to count classic acts of violence instead of looking more broadly at lawlessness and destruction, you are holding onto old concepts that miss the boat in the modern world. The most egregious results no longer happen with fists and throws, but clicks on a keyboard and deft handling of propaganda.

It does seem he could have and should have responded more sympathetically. even if it was just with words.

^^^^. Poignant ^^^^

This whole thing would likely have been over long ago, had Mr Trudeau been interested in having a discussion with the protesters, rather than attacking them at every opportunity.

It's interesting to see people selfishly complain about "higher prices" for cars in another country, when the protesters are protesting about issues which affect their own ability (either personally, or that of family\friends\colleagues) to even earn an income...

Then again, maybe it's a sign that manufacturing needs to be brought back into that country (where have I heard a politician suggest such a thing recently?), so that events such as this in another country won't have an impact on their purchase of such luxuries as a new (as opposed to second-hand) car - Although they'd need to be careful, as apparently "the presence of a vehicle that can run you over and kill you" is a threat of violence, and car yards tend to have many such items sitting around in the open, so it may not be safe for them there...

Justin Trudeau:

Source: https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/205322201187106816

I prefer you challenge me directly, instead of using this backhanded method of throwing it into an answer to someone else.

When actions in one country affect realities in another, that means diplomatic pressure will enter the equation. Whether that works in the favor of, or against, those engaging in the actions will depend on how just the international community sees those actions as being. At some point other governments will tell the affected one that it has to clean up its house, either giving in or taking action. That is a simple reality of an international economy, no matter how much you wish to mock the observation.

In case you aren't aware, it isn't just higher prices. It's also auto industry jobs here in the US, right at the heart of being able to earn a living. The US unions are not lining up in support of the truckers, just FYI.

You know darn well that vehicles have been used to intentionally kill people, but obviously it takes more than quietly parking one to create a threat. Still, exactly how is a government supposed to force a big rig parked in the wrong place to move? A cop strolling up to window of the driver and saying, "move?" It is different from someone standing on a sidewalk, when it comes to enforcement options, isn't it?

I'm just throwing in factors I don't think you are weighing. I'm not saying how much they should mean.

I prefer to receive answers to simple questions I ask, not receive a responce that ignores the question asked to instead focus on irrelevent details that have no bearing on the question as asked, or a vague "don't have time\don't care to check" responce...

As you may have noticed, we don't always get what we prefer.



So, a parked truck isn't a threat, but a truck refusing to move constitutes a threat now?

If the police want them to move and they refuse, they have the same options with a truck as they do with a car - They can have them towed, for example (you didn't think mechanics take a portable workshop out to trucks that break down on the side of the road and need major repairs, did you?).

Or were you more in favour of what a CNN analyst and Harvard Professor suggested should happen?




Oh, I had considered the factors you mentioned - They were simply irrelevant, which is why I didn't bother typing anything about them.

Chinese state-affiliated media:

Soure: https://twitter.com/chenweihua/status/1493608151974924289

Justin Trudeau:

Source: https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1493687072510681090

An interesting message - He implented the "Emergencies Act" and is freezing the bank accounts of those peacefully protesting (or who donated to them), in the name of "defend[ing] the rights of Canadians to peaceful assembly and to freedom of expression" after showing nothing but hostillity towards those people.

Brings to mind shades of:

You and I have very different ideas about what is relevant to understanding a situation.

But my concept of relevance has been tested frequently in my profession, so while we may be speaking completely outside of my area of expertise, I have confidence in my ability to figure out what is actually important, and what is noise. My personal feeling is that you allow yourself to get bogged down in details that don't ultimately win or lose a case.

Still, reasonable minds may differ. I accept that. Do you?

PS - the more you harp on me not answering some since forgotten (by me) preferred question of yours, the more stubbornly I will refuse to answer any questions you pose. I don't answer to you or anyone else here, and it isn't my job to do your homework. If a question is really that important to you, try please.

PSS - I don't care for the place our debate is at; sorry that I've given into the temptation to get snarky. The more anyone tries to drag me in a direction they want, instead of one I want, the more tempting it is to simply be a b*tch. Not my best trait, but there it is.

Some of the extremists have been arrested for plotting to murder RCMP Constables:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/ ... uVuaAZ8ej0

That would basically be the equivalent of Americans plotting to murder FBI agents.


Anyways, this is what happens when far right extremists highjack a protest with the intention of using unstable pawns in their game of attacking Canadian democracy - much the same as the bs that went down on 1/6 in DC.

^^^ The days of true and honest peaceful protest on any scale may well be over. There are too many elements intent on inflaming any unrest to increase disruption with hopes of proving Democracy to be an unsustainable model.

It's heartbreaking, really.