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20 Oct 2023, 4:22 pm

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There is a vibe in this thread that I can't put my finger on, but maybe that's just me as I tend to stick to light-hearted threads.


One side is afraid to fully voice their opinions, but it's not the side that usually has that problem, and they're not used to what it feels like.

How do you know what people are thinking and feeling?



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20 Oct 2023, 4:31 pm

I'm not participating in this thread because I don't know ANYTHING about it, or about the history.
I can't watch any of the coverage to learn because it's too distressing for me.
It's a human rights tragedy all around.
Innocent people should never be killed in revenge, or for the acts of their forefathers.

RIP to all souls lost.


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20 Oct 2023, 4:41 pm

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How do you know what people are thinking and feeling?


Educated guess based on prior behaviors.


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20 Oct 2023, 5:14 pm

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Iran's Foreign Ministry says that Hamas potentially is ready to release the 200 hostages it is holding if Israel stops its campaign of airstrikes on the Gaza Strip.

Iran is being the spokesman of Iran directly, that only means that Hamas achieved nothing behind the attack, only Iran did, for halting the Saudi-Israel deal.

Hamas (Iran) just released two American hostages as a sign of goodwill.


Sounds like they are playing games. Why only release a couple of Americans? They are trying to persuade the Americans to put pressure on Israel to stop the bombing.

HAMAS knows they need to keep the other hostages as leverage. They know Israel is not finished with them.



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20 Oct 2023, 5:16 pm

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Fatah recognizes Israel's right to exist


Israelis kill Fatah guys too so maybe Israel doesn't actually want a peaceful solution


Do you think HAMAS cared when they blew up that Gaza hospital? If Arab lives mattered then HAMAS would not use their own people as human shields.



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20 Oct 2023, 5:31 pm

^ I find it interesting that slogans like this appear acceptable today but if this was posted 3 years ago you would have been edumecated , this is not a slight at you TP just an observation, I personally have no problem with the slogan.


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20 Oct 2023, 5:32 pm

I just didn’t know what else to say at the time….



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20 Oct 2023, 5:37 pm

It is transpiring that it was probably HAMAS rockets and not any Israeli ordinance that hit the hospital.
And also that the body count of "500" or more, is probably hugely exaggerated.

But the data is still coming in. So we shall see.


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20 Oct 2023, 5:39 pm

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^ I find it interesting that slogans like this appear acceptable today but if this was posted 3 years ago you would have been edumecated , this is not a slight at you TP just an observation, I personally have no problem with the slogan.

What are you talking about?

"Black LIves Matter" is more than three years old (both as an organization, and as a slogan).



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20 Oct 2023, 5:47 pm

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It is transpiring that it was probably HAMAS rockets and not any Israeli ordinance that hit the hospital.


The French/EU have corroborated what the US and Israel already know
https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east ... ary-source



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20 Oct 2023, 5:49 pm

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^ I find it interesting that slogans like this appear acceptable today but if this was posted 3 years ago you would have been edumecated , this is not a slight at you TP just an observation, I personally have no problem with the slogan.

What are you talking about?

"Black LIves Matter" is more than three years old (both as an organization, and as a slogan).


Yeah I know when it started but I believe the pushback against it started about 3 years ago on WP. Find me an earlier post than 3 years ago that pushes back against the slogan ( i.e White Lives Matter , Blue Lives Matter etc ) and I'll edit my post accordingly.


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20 Oct 2023, 6:19 pm

Barchan wrote:
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Fatah recognizes Israel's right to exist


Israelis kill Fatah guys too so maybe Israel doesn't actually want a peaceful solution


I see you're also able to make an educated guess based on prior behaviours.

Although to be fair, all I was aiming for is for CD to understand Fatah and Hamas don't have identical policies towards Israel.

Israel's policies towards those groups is an other question, but definitely one worth examining.


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20 Oct 2023, 6:31 pm

cyberdad wrote:
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It is transpiring that it was probably HAMAS rockets and not any Israeli ordinance that hit the hospital.


The French/EU have corroborated what the US and Israel already know
https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east ... ary-source


Interesting. It made a hole in the courtyard a foot deep and a yard wide. Consisted with a ten ounce warhead (my off the top of my head translation of metric into imperial). Consistent with the crude rockets the Palestinians use to bombard Israel with. Not with the much bigger bombs and rockets Israeli forces would have. The rocket was going south to north. More consistant with coming from Gaza than going to Gaza. Most likely accidental collateral damage by HAMAS on Palestine itself.



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20 Oct 2023, 6:37 pm

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Do you think HAMAS cared when they blew up that Gaza hospital? If Arab lives mattered then HAMAS would not use their own people as human shields.


Using your own people as human shields and a missile misfire causing deaths of your own people are not the same imo. One is offering up a human sacrifice, the other is an accident. I think Hamas did care about the hospital in a 'we done f*cked up' way, but quickly brushed that care aside and tried to use it to their advantage with propaganda. I also thought that the IDF investigation said it wasn't Hamas, but another group?


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20 Oct 2023, 6:38 pm

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I also thought that the IDF investigation said it wasn't Hamas, but another group?


PIJ if I recall correctly.


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