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kraftiekortie
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20 Apr 2020, 7:02 am

It’s good news that I’m negative.

I want to be positive for the antibodies test.

I’m recovered.



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20 Apr 2020, 7:07 am

blooiejagwa wrote:
AspiePrincess611 wrote:
blooiejagwa wrote:
You don't have to take that tone towards someone who is always respectful and additionally an elder who deserves more respect. :ninja:

Being old does not automatically entitle one to respect. Especially when one is spewing lies and promoting oppressive policies.


I feel it does.

One can disagree with an argument or viewpoint in other ways, point by point. But I get this is an emotionally loaded topic (coronavirus). This man has never spewed lies, as far as I have seen. He shares research and articles and from them infers a point, as everyone is free to do. In a rightly functioning society anyway.


AspiePrince was mistaken about jimmy.
It is as simple as that.
Everyone makes a poor judgement from time to time.
If she gets to know jimmy, she will no doubt change her mind.
Simples. :mrgreen:

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To know, know, know him
Is to love love love him
Just to see him smile
Makes my life worthwhile
To know know know him
Is to love love love him
And I do
I'll be good to him
I'll bring love to him
Everyone says there'll come a day
When I'll walk alongside of him
Yes, just to know him
Is to love love love him
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Why can't he see
How blind can he be
Someday he will see
That he was meant for me, ooh
To know, know, know him
Is to love love love him
Just to see him smile
Makes my life worthwhile
To know, know, know him
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20 Apr 2020, 7:09 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
It’s good news that I’m negative.

I want to be positive for the antibodies test.

I’m recovered.


I was under the impression the test was for antibodies.
So the test you had was for the virus, instead.
Hmmm



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20 Apr 2020, 7:22 am

Pepe wrote:
AspiePrincess611 wrote:
blooiejagwa wrote:
You don't have to take that tone towards someone who is always respectful and additionally an elder who deserves more respect. :ninja:

Being old does not automatically entitle one to respect. Especially when one is spewing lies and promoting oppressive policies.


I think you will have to accept that you are outvoted here.

I'm not a person that joins a lynch-mob.
But I can see you are out of touch, with the situation here.

Perhaps it is time for reflection? :wink:

I will not change my viewpoint. I am not the only person with these views, there are many of us, including the amazing President of the United States who is right now fighting for our rights. I am a strong conservative and I do not think that the mask law is fair to the 99 percent of people who are not at serious risk. Some say I am borderline fascist, and perhaps so, but I don't discriminate based on race, gender, religion, or any category like that alone. I do feel that many people today are kept alive when they should not be. It creates a drain on society. Hitler took this way way too far and actively killed people. I don't advocate that. I will not take back anything I said because people on here are believing the government's lies. I was absolutely not kidding, I have a strong science background and these are my honest, heartfelt beliefs. I do not accept that I was "outvoted". I feel you are all being naive and need to wake up. If you choose not to, that's your business. I apologize for nothing. I would not respect anyone who believes it is right to force people to live in pain to benefit people they don't know or care about. It is against the United States Constitution to force people to do this.


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20 Apr 2020, 7:28 am

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Methinks Aspieprincess might be overreacting to the pandemic, and adopting absurd viewpoints as a result.

Perhaps, she merely wants to induce a reaction within us just to have fun.

Fox News is pushing reopen.

On Fox news, Dr. Phil and Dr. Oz both recently made statements in line with AspiePrincess.

Dr. Oz said a 2-3% mortality rate is acceptable.

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Finally, some intelligent conversation from this forum. Go Fox News!! ! Dr. Oz and Dr. Phil are highly respected medical professionals with worldwide fame. Their word is good enough for me. Thanks to Fox News and these amazing doctors, and to our president. God bless you all. You are my heroes. Trump 2020!! !!


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20 Apr 2020, 7:29 am

:)

Pepe wrote:
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Dr Oz is a nut. Dr. Phil, too.

30 out of a thousand infant mortality is unacceptable.

2-3% mortality would be quite unacceptable.

2-3% mortality for children with COVID19 would be even more unacceptable. It is virtually nil now.


What I don't understand is why the most vulnerable can't just hide under the bed like me?
And with better social distancing, hand washing and masks, you would think the risk would be much smaller. :scratch:



I feel as though you and I are in a tug-of-war of who can post the most uninformative random or even off-topic posts :lol:


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20 Apr 2020, 7:50 am

AspiePrincess611 wrote:
Pepe wrote:
AspiePrincess611 wrote:
blooiejagwa wrote:
You don't have to take that tone towards someone who is always respectful and additionally an elder who deserves more respect. :ninja:

Being old does not automatically entitle one to respect. Especially when one is spewing lies and promoting oppressive policies.


I think you will have to accept that you are outvoted here.

I'm not a person that joins a lynch-mob.
But I can see you are out of touch, with the situation here.

Perhaps it is time for reflection? :wink:

I will not change my viewpoint. I am not the only person with these views, there are many of us, including the amazing President of the United States who is right now fighting for our rights. I am a strong conservative and I do not think that the mask law is fair to the 99 percent of people who are not at serious risk. Some say I am borderline fascist, and perhaps so, but I don't discriminate based on race, gender, religion, or any category like that alone. I do feel that many people today are kept alive when they should not be. It creates a drain on society. Hitler took this way way too far and actively killed people. I don't advocate that. I will not take back anything I said because people on here are believing the government's lies. I was absolutely not kidding, I have a strong science background and these are my honest, heartfelt beliefs. I do not accept that I was "outvoted". I feel you are all being naive and need to wake up. If you choose not to, that's your business. I apologize for nothing. I would not respect anyone who believes it is right to force people to live in pain to benefit people they don't know or care about. It is against the United States Constitution to force people to do this.


I was talking about jimmy m being a nice guy.
You are out voted there.
He is a sweetie. :heart:



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20 Apr 2020, 7:51 am

blooiejagwa wrote:
:)
Pepe wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Dr Oz is a nut. Dr. Phil, too.

30 out of a thousand infant mortality is unacceptable.

2-3% mortality would be quite unacceptable.

2-3% mortality for children with COVID19 would be even more unacceptable. It is virtually nil now.


What I don't understand is why the most vulnerable can't just hide under the bed like me?
And with better social distancing, hand washing and masks, you would think the risk would be much smaller. :scratch:



I feel as though you and I are in a tug-of-war of who can post the most uninformative random or even off-topic posts :lol:


But that one wasn't one of them. 8O



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20 Apr 2020, 7:53 am

AspiePrincess611 wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Methinks Aspieprincess might be overreacting to the pandemic, and adopting absurd viewpoints as a result.

Perhaps, she merely wants to induce a reaction within us just to have fun.

Fox News is pushing reopen.

On Fox news, Dr. Phil and Dr. Oz both recently made statements in line with AspiePrincess.

Dr. Oz said a 2-3% mortality rate is acceptable.

Image

Finally, some intelligent conversation from this forum. Go Fox News!! ! Dr. Oz and Dr. Phil are highly respected medical professionals with worldwide fame. Their word is good enough for me. Thanks to Fox News and these amazing doctors, and to our president. God bless you all. You are my heroes. Trump 2020!! ! !


Sorry to burst your bubble,
But I think Trump has done some good things, too.
I'm just not a fanatic about it. :wink:



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20 Apr 2020, 8:09 am

AspiePrincess611 wrote:
blooiejagwa wrote:
You don't have to take that tone towards someone who is always respectful and additionally an elder who deserves more respect. :ninja:

Being old does not automatically entitle one to respect. Especially when one is spewing lies and promoting oppressive policies.


Really???????? Sources?


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20 Apr 2020, 8:18 am

The flip side of a global shutdown.

As our unemployment is ticking closer 20 percent from people staying home, we must be reminded of a grave reality: based on information from the National Bureau of Economic Research: with every 1 percent increase in unemployment, we can see up to a 3.6 percent increase in overdose deaths and a 1 percent increase in suicide across the country. If unemployment hits 32 percent – the worst-case scenario prediction of a St. Louis Federal Reserve economist – some 77,000 Americans may die in addition to those who were stricken with COVID-19.

Source: Coronavirus projections – this is what the models couldn't measure


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20 Apr 2020, 8:52 am

I know Blooie is kidding :)



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20 Apr 2020, 8:53 am

There was an interesting article this morning about the need for maintaining the quarantine until adequate testing was available.

We are still in the midst of the COVID-19 lockdown. The conventional wisdom -- which has been wrong several times -- is that the only way to lift the lockdown is through mass testing. Test here. Test now. Test, baby, test!

An article in Vox claims that we might need 35 million tests per day, which means testing people over and over again. Putting aside the logistical nightmare, consider that the U.S. is currently testing roughly 100,000 Americans per day. Asking for 35 million per day is sort of like requesting a golden toilet seat on your fusion powered spacecraft to Mars.

The reality of mass screening is that it's never done. Besides the impracticality, there is a scientific reason for it: Diagnostic tests are imperfect, and they produce false positives and false negatives. Even if kept to a minimum, minor inaccuracies create substantial problems.

Source: Coronavirus: False Positives, False Negatives And The Trouble With COVID-19 Mass Testing

When you combine this perception with the finding out of Santa Clara County, California, it points to the futility of demanding testing to end the shutdown when the coronavirus is already endemic in the U.S. population.

As I wrote yesterday in this thread about the first antibody test results:
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A team of researchers in California found that the number of coronaviruses cases in one county may actually be up to 85 times higher than the what health officials have tallied, and say their data may help better estimate the virus’ true fatality rate.

Earlier this month, Stanford University-led researchers tested 3,330 adults and children in Santa Clara County, who were recruited using Facebook ads, for SARS-CoV-2 antibodies and found that the population prevalence of COVID-19 in Santa Clara ranged from 2.49 percent to 4.16 percent.

“The most important implication of these findings is that the number of infections is much greater than the reported number of cases,” the researchers wrote, in a yet-to-be peer-reviewed study. “Our data imply that, by April 1 (three days prior to the end of our survey) between 48,000 and 81,000 people had been infected in Santa Clara County. The reported number of confirmed positive cases in the county on April 1 was 956, 50-85-fold lower than the number of infectious predicted by this study.”

Source: Coronavirus antibody testing finds Bay Area infections may be 85 times higher than reported

That also means that the coronavirus is endemic in the population. If you upscale those findings across the entire U.S., it could mean that perhaps as many as 13.7 million people in the U.S. have been exposed to the coronavirus. Most of these have recovered because their bodies have produced antibodies to the disease. It also means the mortality rates for this virus is extremely low, perhaps in the range of the common cold.


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20 Apr 2020, 10:15 am

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High levels of air pollution may be “one of the most important contributors” to deaths from Covid-19, according to research.

The analysis shows that of the coronavirus deaths across 66 administrative regions in Italy, Spain, France and Germany, 78% of them occurred in just five regions, and these were the most polluted.


https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... aths-study



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20 Apr 2020, 1:57 pm

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High levels of air pollution may be “one of the most important contributors” to deaths from Covid-19, according to research.

The analysis shows that of the coronavirus deaths across 66 administrative regions in Italy, Spain, France and Germany, 78% of them occurred in just five regions, and these were the most polluted.


https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... aths-study


Startling information but of course it makes sense. Thanks for sharing .. Polluted areas are usually overcrowded too so greater likelihood of getting it


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20 Apr 2020, 3:11 pm

Pepe wrote:
AspiePrincess611 wrote:
Pepe wrote:
AspiePrincess611 wrote:
blooiejagwa wrote:
You don't have to take that tone towards someone who is always respectful and additionally an elder who deserves more respect. :ninja:

Being old does not automatically entitle one to respect. Especially when one is spewing lies and promoting oppressive policies.


I think you will have to accept that you are outvoted here.

I'm not a person that joins a lynch-mob.
But I can see you are out of touch, with the situation here.

Perhaps it is time for reflection? :wink:

I will not change my viewpoint. I am not the only person with these views, there are many of us, including the amazing President of the United States who is right now fighting for our rights. I am a strong conservative and I do not think that the mask law is fair to the 99 percent of people who are not at serious risk. Some say I am borderline fascist, and perhaps so, but I don't discriminate based on race, gender, religion, or any category like that alone. I do feel that many people today are kept alive when they should not be. It creates a drain on society. Hitler took this way way too far and actively killed people. I don't advocate that. I will not take back anything I said because people on here are believing the government's lies. I was absolutely not kidding, I have a strong science background and these are my honest, heartfelt beliefs. I do not accept that I was "outvoted". I feel you are all being naive and need to wake up. If you choose not to, that's your business. I apologize for nothing. I would not respect anyone who believes it is right to force people to live in pain to benefit people they don't know or care about. It is against the United States Constitution to force people to do this.


I was talking about jimmy m being a nice guy.
You are out voted there.
He is a sweetie. :heart:


Oh ok. I see. I guess I misinterpreted. My mistake. Jimmy may feel the way he does because he is higher risk. We might just not agree on this topic, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. No hard feelings. Those masks really do suck for people with sensory issues, though :x


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