magz wrote:
sly279 wrote:
magz wrote:
sly279 wrote:
How did small tribes survive, the strong killed the weak.
Nope, the small tribes survived because they were small enough for everyone to know each other personally.
Which doesn't change the fact that we need police forces in societes of current sizes.
The problems start when a significant, well-established part of the society don't see the state - and law enforcement representing the state - as servnig and protecting them but as frocing them to compliance.
Every revolution I know of, either horribly violent or more or less peaceful, started from such a situation.
The strong rules tribes. Many tribes would change leaders based on fights to the death. The stronger males got many partners.
There’s plenty of tribes to see even today to show that.
Then, would you care to give a citation?
A tribe needs to cooperate to survive. Strength is just one of possible ways to contribute to survival. Intelligence, knowledge, patience, abillity to help healing, even aritstic skills are just some examples of other possible contributions to survival.
Bullying the weaker becomes the norm only after Neolithic Revolution, with solidified stratification of societes. Yet exactly in these societes, ethical systems like Christianity and Buddhism emerged - because societes still need to cooperate to survive.
sly279 wrote:
Government and police surely don’t repersent me and millions of others, still we don’t rise up yet. Reality is revolution and civil wars are bloody, and current life is comfortable.
Is it? Is it for you? Is it for a random guy similar to George Floyd?
sly279 wrote:
I don’t see any change coming from these protests.
As I pointed out they aren’t taking any steps to enact actual change. Police will be fired, new chiefs appointed, but end of the day it won’t change the system and what few places changes happen are temporary, mayors and chiefs change and with them their policies.sometimes for better others times back to worse.
If we want real change we need to get laws passed.
And said laws should take a while to write and debate to insure they don’t make the system more corrupted and abusive.
Sadly as I said in past I see expansion of the the current system and more militaztion of the police happening instead.
The elite, the ones who reallu run everything, see what’s happening as a need for more police not less. Much like how 911 brought us the patriot act. Shootout in la brought use cops all having m4s. Past riots brought enough riot gear for all cops, armored vehicles. Most cops are now armed like swat. The reaction of the elite to these protests will be “damn we need more military like power to control people, this can’t happen again.”
Well, I live in a culture that kind of domesticated social unrest. Anti-government rallies are seen here as a legitimate part of political discourse. I know you can tame social unrest and direct its energy to change for the better. You just need to listen and set clear boundaries: you have full right to protest and show your emotions but no demolition, no looting. In a lot of places, exactly this happened.
Start to openly discuss about the issues that brought the people to the streets - in this case, racial prejudice in police brutality. Talk about it openly, on the very heights of the lawmakers. Invite the protesters to show their perspective and discuss what can and what can't be done about it.
This is how you tame social unrest.
Do you really think tribes keep around weak men who couldn’t hunt? Men had to hunt to survive. Women gathered berries. Sorry it’s only modern systems that keep weak men like me around. Humanity wouldn’t survived if the strong didn’t prevail.
The morality you have in mind barely exists todsy and certainly didn’t when humans were barely surviving. If you didn’t contribute you were killed or removed from the tribe.
It’s very similar to apes today, there’s a alpha male.
Well Africa and Middle East are open to travels if you rather have thst. But genocide, constant bloody civil war looks worse then the racial issues we have here, where most everyone and their kid has a 1,000 dollar cellphones, multiple electronics, cars for most everyone. So yeah our 1st world nation is more comfortable then walking through ruins of our city while being gassed with cyinide by the multiple fractions fighting for dominance as Russian and Chinese planes bomb hospitals and schools.
Anyone who thinks we’d be better off in a civil war will tens of millions of Americans die on the streets and everything is either on fire or burnt down. I’m sure that society will be far less racist.
I’d wager if you asked anyone in a war torn nation if they’d rather be I. The USA or there they’d pick the USA.
Mean hands joe who here would rsther love in Syria, Iraq, or Ukraine right ? How about parts of Africa where genocide is the norm?
Some racist cops va oh looks like their rounding up my town today to kill us all.
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04 Jun 2020, 5:34 am
