Breaking: Active Shooter(s) In Mandalay Bay Hotel (NSFW)

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I suggested the opposite, actually. Recently, not always.

Swarthiness?I think the name derives from the Anglo-Saxon or German for black (Schwatrz)

It just means dark skinned. Lately, people associate other things with that. I don't even know where you're going with excessive hair and dirt or whatever..

I leave the discussion for a day and the topic has come down to this - dirt and excessive hair? Doesn't sound like i missed much.

The question is - why did Paddock stop shooting and why did he kill himself?! Like I said before, this whole thing stinks to high heaven.

I think someone killed Paddock and that 75 min was being used to clean up any evidence and stage the room. My question is did they make those pictures that were supposedly "leaked" or was it totally unexpected? I thought I had read it somewhere that the authorities were calling numbers off of the note that was found. They said it was Paddock being a mathematician crunching numbers on how best he could shoot to kill more people. What?! I think they are the conspiracy theorists.

From The LA Times:

Police have dramatically changed their account of how the Las Vegas massacre began on Oct. 1, revealing Monday that the gunman shot a hotel security guard six minutes before opening fire on a country music concert — raising new questions about why police weren’t able to pinpoint the gunman’s location sooner.

Officials had previously said that gunman Stephen Paddock, 64, of Mesquite, Nev., shot Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus Campos after Paddock had unleashed his deadly volley at the Route 91 Harvest Festival, an assault that began at 10:05 p.m. and left 58 people dead, with hundreds more injured.


They had credited Campos, who was shot in the leg, with stopping the 10-minute assault on the concert crowd by turning the gunman’s attention to the hotel hallway, where Campos was checking an alert for an open door in another guest’s room.

But Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo said Monday that Paddock shot Campos before his mass shooting — at 9:59 p.m. — and they now didn’t know why Paddock stopped his attack on the crowd.


Paddock, who had placed security cameras outside his room, shot Campos through the door of his suite, which was outfitted with a camera to survey the hallway, as was a room service cart parked outside. Police said Paddock fired 200 rounds into the hallway.

Investigators previously said that the security guard was shot after Paddock had already spent 10 minutes firing into the crowd of concertgoers gathered below the hotel.

In a timeline released last week, investigators said Paddock had stopped firing at the concert across the street at 10:15 p.m., and the first police officers arrived on the floor at 10:17 p.m. and encountered the wounded Campos at 10:18 p.m., who directed the officers to Paddock’s suite.

Police were not in a hurry to enter Paddock’s suite because the security guard’s arrival had halted the shooting, police implied in previously describing the timeline. Paddock had killed himself by the time officers entered the room, they said.

In a news conference Wednesday, Lombardo said it was his “assumption” that Paddock stopped his shooting spree because the gunman, using his spy cameras, “observed the security guard, and he was in fear that he was about to be breached, so he was doing everything possible to figure out how to escape at that point.”

In another news conference last week, Clark County Undersheriff Kevin McMahill said Campos "had notified his dispatch, which was absolutely critical to us, knowing the location, as well as advising the responding officers as they arrived.”

But on Monday, the timeline changed.

Here's a timeline of the Las Vegas shooting — with the crucial detail police left out last time
“Mr. Campos was encountered by the suspect prior to his shooting to the outside world,” Lombardo said at a Monday news conference.

Police officers who started searching the hotel after the shooting began didn’t know a hotel security guard had been shot “until they met him in the hallway after exiting the elevator,” Lombardo said. He didn’t say whether Campos notified casino security after he was shot.

A police spokesperson did not immediately respond to several follow-up questions from the Los Angeles Times seeking clarification on the new timeline.

Charles "Sid" Heal, a retired Los Angeles County sheriff's commander and tactical expert, said the new timeline “changes the whole perspective of the shooting."

In the solitary world of video poker, Stephen Paddock knew how to win. Until he didn't
Heal said that if police had known immediately that a guard had been shot, they would have rushed the room while the gunman was still firing. He said it seemed to signal a breakdown in communication.

“It doesn't say much for hotel security,” Heal said.

After Campos was shot, a maintenance worker appeared on the 32nd floor and “Campos prevented him from receiving any injuries,” Lombardo said.

Representatives for the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino and the union representing the hotel’s security guards did not immediately respond to messages seeking comment.

Lombardo said investigators still had not uncovered a motive for Paddock’s attack and had found “zero” evidence of a second gunman. Investigators said Paddock was not seen with anyone before the attack.

Lombardo also revised the date on which police believe Paddock checked into Mandalay Bay. While initially they said he had checked in on Sept. 28, three days before the shooting, they now believe he checked in on Sept. 25.

They continue to believe he was operating without a partner.

Lombardo said investigators had compiled 200 “instances” of Paddock moving around Las Vegas before the attack, and he was always alone.

The sheriff also revealed that Paddock had started drilling a hole next to the door of his suite, but the drilling apparently was not completed, and officials weren’t sure what the hole was for.

Lombardo said investigators had found “some evidence of medications” used by Paddock but declined to give any more information.

Authorities have begun returning personal items to those who left them behind when fleeing the concert grounds. Clark County Deputy Fire Chief John Steinbeck said 99 people came Sunday to retrieve items from the Family Assistance Center at the Las Vegas Convention Center.

By late afternoon Monday, a slow trickle of people entered the heavily guarded doors of the center — some arriving on crutches and wearing bandages. A few emerged carrying bags or wheeling suitcases away into the parking lot.

Ok, this is another thought too.

They kept saying they were wondering how Paddock got all of those guns up to the room. They also said that someone used the card to enter Paddocks room when he was gone. What if Paddock was used and someone else actually did do the shooting?

They can't find a motive for why Paddock would have done the shooting said the shooting was well planned. The person who used the room card could have planted all those guns in the room when Paddock was gone. Maybe that same person shot the security guard then shot Paddock and continued with the shooting, cleaned up the mess, staged the room (possibly even taking the pictures that they would want the public to see) taking up to 75 min before the police would then enter the room.

That would mean the police or the FBI or both were in on it.

Historically those who spent a lot of time outdoors (basically the poor) tended not to invest a lot of time grooming themselves which included cutting/shaving excessive body hair - hence the connotation of the "dirty" peasant from the middle ages which Hollywood still likes to perpetuate (although they would argue it's historically accurate)

Something else from that previous article: police
said Paddock shot 200 rounds into the hallway hitting the guard in the leg.

Wouldn't 200 rounds completely pulverize someone and the guy only gets shot in the leg?! My thought on that - maybe it was part of the plan (unbeknownst to the guard) to inflict a wound to the guard to stop him from doing something to interfere with their plan. One shot to the leg will maim someone, but usually won't kill them.

Hmmm. And the plot thickens some more.

What would the FBI or whatever gain from perpetuating this massacre?

wild imaginations

Then you explain it, Mr. K. With that new information of when the security guard got shot, the whole timeline is screwed up. I had heard on the radio that there were some who had theorized that Paddock had been in the FBI. I thought that was completely nuts, but now who the he'll knows?! He was very secretive and kept to himself.

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And you have no imagination. You just accept without question. I call that being a sheep.

I just feel everything hasn't "come together" yet. There are lots of loose ends. Understandably, this could give rise to theories which emanate from "all over the place."

What would be the purpose in the FBI killing 58 people? I doubt that these people posed any sort of threat to "national security." I just don't see the use in it---even if some FBI agent had this sort of desire.

The thing IS, Paddock WASN'T discovered----the guard was on the floor, for something totally unrelated----but, Paddock THOUGHT he had been discovered. I agree that if it hadn't been for the appearance of the guard, that Paddock would've killed alot more people.

I would LOVE to know what that hole(s) was for, near the door. Your theory of a barricade is interesting, but I don't see how you got that idea. How do holes point to a barricade plan? I'm not disputing it----just, if you could, please, tell me how the holes would aid in making a barricade.

The only thing I could think-of, regarding the hole(s), was that he could stick the gun into / up-to one, and kill anyone in the hall----the hole being for the same reason he broke the window, first, so as not to slow-down the bullets, when shooting the people at the concert.

I think SH90's theory, t'ward the beginning of this thread, that he stopped shooting cuz the authorities found him, and that the gunman figured more officers would follow, is plausible----even your own article says that the sheriff said that he (the sheriff) assumed Paddock stopped the shooting when he observed the security guard, and that he thought that Paddock feared he was about to be breached.

As for why he killed himself: That's FAR from unusual, IMO, as most of these mass murderers, do that----as I was just saying, several pages back, one reason might be because when they kill themselves, they are ending their life, on THEIR terms (as opposed to be taken-out, by the police), and that's much preferable, to them.


This seems unlikely, as the hotel cameras in the hall (assuming there ARE hotel cameras) would've shown someone else entering and leaving, Paddock's room----and, your theory of the police/FBI doing it, seems unlikely, to me, as well; I mean, what would be the reason, for that (the police/FBI doing it)?


Yeah, I heard both of these things, as well----I was VERY excited to hear they were calling phone numbers, they had found.

As for him being a mathematician and crunching numbers, that's not so unbelievable to me, because of all the other great detail he had put into his entire plan, for this event.

Of COURSE they're being theorists (I know you said "conspiracy theorist", but I don't look at it, like that)----that's what they HAVE TO do, to try and piece all of this, together.

I've read, different places, that he was said to have taken 10-15 suitcases, up to his room----so, that seems to indicate how he got the guns, up there.

As for someone else doing the shooting: How could the person just vanish into thin air? I'm not disputing it, I'm just wanting to know more of your line-of-thinking.


I don't see how someone could've planted all those guns and equipment, and stuff, without Paddock discovering them, when he returned to his room.

As for someone else shooting Paddock: I'm thinking the autopsy could confirm how he was shot----the trajectory would be different if someone opened his mouth, and shot him; and, I feel the wound would reflect that.

What do you think could be gained by the police or FBI, doing this? Again, I'm not disputing it, I'm just curious, as to your thinking.....

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The keycard, that somebody else used, could hold more of a clue, in that, IIRC, what I've read said that someone entered his room, when he was gone----but, I don't know that they were specific in that the person LEFT the room, while he was gone. Maybe that was part of his "rape fantasy", that he would return to the room with the prostitute already there.

Also, I wonder if there is a correlation to when someone else entered his room, and the room service receipt----but, I'm sure they already thought-of / dismissed that.....