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11 Jul 2020, 10:49 pm

Brictoria wrote:

You DID ask for an example of a black person calling the cops on a white person for no reason, which was EXACTLY what he did...The fact that the "white person" didn't exist doesn't change the facts regarding what he did.

You seem to have not provided a valid reason why the police consider it justifiable that Amy Cooper is being charged and Christian Cooper is not.

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11 Jul 2020, 11:36 pm

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Anti-white racism:

2a) Whites had a history of discrimination against blacks

2b) Thats why whites are stereotyped as being racist against blacks

2c) This is unfair because there are white "individuals" that are not racist against blacks and its not their fault that a lot of other people of their race are.

As a side note, its not true that whites are more racist than others. In fact, the opposite is far more likely to be the case. For example, in Mediteranian, Indian and Japanese cultures its very much the norm to stick to one's group. In western culture, on the other hand, assimilation is encouraged due to the modernization. I don't know how the western culture would compare to other cultures back in the 17-th century, but at least right now in the 21-st century the western culture is far more influenced by modernization than the others and, therefore, its one of the least racist ones.

I think the historical record of White racism is not due to actual racist *beliefs* but rather its due to the *power* to enforce them. If, for example, people in India decided to bring a bunch of European slaves, they wouldn't have power to do it since Europeans had better developed weapons. But when Americans decided to bring slaves from Africa, they easily could. That doesn't mean Americans are more racist than people in India. It just means they had more physical power (in a form of technology) to "enforce" their racism.

According to social psychology your premise is false so the remainder of your argument is therefore invalid.

Racism requires a position of social power. Even in countries where white people are subject to non-white political power such as South Africa, they hold economic power and by proxy social power.

So while anti-black racism is plausible, the opposite is not.

That's an interesting point. On the one hand there is a prejudice, irrespective of power and on the other hand there is a toxic combination of prejudice and power. These two phenomena should have their own separate words, since they both deserve a separate discussion. I thought racism refers to the former and you think it refers to the latter.

But in any case, if you say that in order to be racist one has to have power, then how can David Duke be racist if he has no power (no real chance to be elected any more)? Also it's not so straightforward to say that whites have more power than blacks. There are examples of the opposite. For example .y mom told me of a case at UC Berkeley when out of a large pool of professor candidates they picked lesser qualified black woman simply because of diversity and they only considered others after she turned down the position. Also my dad told me how a husband of his relative, after he immigrsted to the US, couldn't get promoted so one day he decided to lie I'm his CV and changed his race from white to black and then he got promotion after promotion (he was 100% white so him calling himself black was a blatant lie).

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11 Jul 2020, 11:41 pm

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Brictoria wrote:

You seem to have not provided a valid reason why the police consider it justifiable that Amy Cooper is being charged and Christian Cooper is not.

Police might suffer from white guilt. This is unfortunate reality in America that Whites are trying to "undo" their past mistreatment of blacks by giving them extra privileges. But it is unfair because Amy Cooper haven't, personally, enslaved Christian Cooper. But since the actual slaves and their masters are long gone, Americans are taking it out on whoever is alive.

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11 Jul 2020, 11:46 pm

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Brictoria wrote:

You seem to have not provided a valid reason why the police consider it justifiable that Amy Cooper is being charged and Christian Cooper is not.

Police didn't.

A fame-seeking Democrat prosecutor did.

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11 Jul 2020, 11:47 pm

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It doesn't matter if she enslaved him, how ridiculous. She committed a racially motivated crime against him and the police are investigating it as is their responsibility. Investigating crimes committed against people isn't a special privilege.

I hope you don't really consider enslavement as the standard for what makes an act racist. Please tell me I'm misinterpreting your weird pivot to this matter which isn't actually relevant to what she did or why it's a problem.

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12 Jul 2020, 12:20 am

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The lady should have said the “weenie” thing—instead of being all Karen about the whole thing.....

The guy admitted he carries dog biscuits around so he can do this to people.

So, he planned to do this before he even met her.

You avoided my point the police considered this was not a criminal act. I'll repeat what I said, please demonstrate something the criminal-justice system is unaware of? how would you persuade the police this is a criminal act? of course you know you can't.

If you go to a NY park, and lure people's dogs away, eventually they'll call the police, and the police will arrest you.

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12 Jul 2020, 12:24 am

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Police might suffer from white guilt.

Not according to the data, You might have missed the BLM protests were about this very issue.

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12 Jul 2020, 12:24 am

TheRobotLives wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

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kraftiekortie wrote:

The lady should have said the “weenie” thing—instead of being all Karen about the whole thing.....

The guy admitted he carries dog biscuits around so he can do this to people.

So, he planned to do this before he even met her.

If you go to a NY park, and lure people's dogs away, eventually they'll call the police, and the police will arrest you.

But he didn't do that.

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12 Jul 2020, 12:31 am

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cyberdad wrote:

Brictoria wrote:

You seem to have not provided a valid reason why the police consider it justifiable that Amy Cooper is being charged and Christian Cooper is not.

Police didn't.

A fame-seeking Democrat prosecutor did.

Ms Cooper was charged under an existing false-report law that has been already long been on the books and does not reference race. If the police objected then it would not go forward.

The prosecutor is trying Amy Cooper under a new law, which the Governor also signed last month, holds an individual who makes such calls liable "for injunctive relief, damages, or any other appropriate relief" in a civil lawsuit.

The only issue is what sentence she receives which is based on whether a judge agrees on the two items she is being charged with. My guess she will get some community service or education program.

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12 Jul 2020, 12:36 am

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Prejudice is not the same as racism. You can be prejudiced against somebody and it may have nothing to do with race. For example you can have a prejudice against poor people or homeless people. Likewise a Chinese person may have prejudice against a white person but if a chinese person called a white person a racist name the white person will likely laugh because its not racist if the person does not feel inferior.

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But in any case, if you say that in order to be racist one has to have power, then how can David Duke be racist if he has no power (no real chance to be elected any more)?

Duke invokes "White privilege"

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12 Jul 2020, 3:17 am

cyberdad wrote:

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cyberdad wrote:

Brictoria wrote:

You seem to have not provided a valid reason why the police consider it justifiable that Amy Cooper is being charged and Christian Cooper is not.

Police didn't.

A fame-seeking Democrat prosecutor did.

For those interested, the following video has her lawyer (who does a lot of civil rights cases) discussing the case and the actual charge she is facing, along with why he decided to take the case:

For those not interested in watching:
She was charged under sub-section 3 of the false reporting section:

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A person is guilty of falsely reporting an incident in the third degree when, knowing the information reported, conveyed or circulated to be false or baseless, he or she:

3. Gratuitously reports to a law enforcement officer or agency (a) the alleged occurrence of an offense or incident which did not in fact occur; or (b) an allegedly impending occurrence of an offense or incident which in fact is not about to occur; or (c) false information relating to an actual offense or incident or to the alleged implication of some person therein;

As to the reason for taking the case, one major reason was related to involuntary filming of private citizens in public places and how it could affect someone like his nephew who has Autism, and how filming people like his nephew when he is having issues with emotion control could cause harm to his nephew if posted online, as NT's (and others) would jump to judge based on what, to them, would be "normal" expected behaviour [1] (a bit over 13 minutes in from where link starts).

[1] Much as people here are rushing to judge her reaction to the actions and words that were reported as having been spoken prior to the filming commencing, without all the facts... I wonder how they would feel, if they were on the spectrum (being that we have some NT's here, too), and were filmed having a meltdown\anxiety related reaction to something and this was posted online, with the world judging them solely on a minute or so of footage of this meltdown\reaction, and no context\background being presented.

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12 Jul 2020, 3:42 am

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But he didn't do that.

His first threat is when he tells her, "You won't like what I am going to do".

Then "he pulled out dog treats, causing her to scream at him to not come near her dog"
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 265010002/

Will he kidnap the dog? Kill it?

For certain, the proper response is to call the police on this man.

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12 Jul 2020, 4:03 am

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But he didn't do that.

Her defence team (does she have one?) are entitled to use this as justification for reducing the severity of her sentence. But I am 100% sure nobody is coming after Christian Cooper given she attacked him when he started filming. It's a pretty open and shut case because its all on film robot.

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12 Jul 2020, 4:13 am

Brictoria wrote:

I wonder how they would feel, if they were on the spectrum (being that we have some NT's here, too), and were filmed having a meltdown\anxiety related reaction to something and this was posted online, with the world judging them solely on a minute or so of footage of this meltdown\reaction, and no context\background being presented.

That argument doesn't work in Amy Cooper's favour because Amy Cooper is i) NT ii) has no underlying mental illness and iii) chose to deliberately invoke a specific meme to intimidate and subsequently punish Christian Cooper.

She had a senior role in a major investment firm with a 6 figure salary. Trying to invoke cognitive deficits in excusing her behaviour doesn't work, she could have taken her dog and walked away but she i) aggressively threatened Christian Cooper and ii) stayed in his view so he could hear making the 911 call which everyone knew was to punish him.

Do you think a major investment firm who would invest so heavily in paying her a six figure salary would not have defended her if she really was a victim??? what did they do? they sacked her. Why? because they watched the video and they knew it was only a matter of time before she would be charged.

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12 Jul 2020, 4:21 am

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Definition of racism - Merriam-Webster

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a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2a: a doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles
b: a political or social system founded on racism
3: racial prejudice or discrimination

Definition of racism - Encyclopedia Britannica

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Racism, also called racialism, the belief that humans may be divided into separate and exclusive biological entities called “races”; that there is a causal link between inherited physical traits and traits of personality, intellect, morality, and other cultural and behavioral features; and that some races are innately superior to others. The term is also applied to political, economic, or legal institutions and systems that engage in or perpetuate discrimination on the basis of race or otherwise reinforce racial inequalities in wealth and income, education, health care, civil rights, and other areas. Such institutional, structural, or systemic racism became a particular focus of scholarly investigation in the 1980s with the emergence of critical race theory, an offshoot of the critical legal studies movement.

Oxford definition of racism

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1. Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.

1.1 The belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.

Nowhere does it say blacks can't be racist. By this definition saying that only whites can have the negative trait of being a racist is a racist statement.

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12 Jul 2020, 4:57 am

cyberdad wrote:

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cyberdad wrote:

But he didn't do that.

Her lawyer is Robert Barnes, who has worked on a number of civil rights cases...And from what I have seen, she would appear to have a fairly solid case to have this thrown out...But we'll see what happens.

It's sad that people's first reaction is "racism" followed by "the white person is guilty"...It'll be interesting to see how Mr Barnes proceeds on this case.

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