04 Jun 2020, 7:24 pm
04 Jun 2020, 7:29 pm
magz wrote:
Why are you insisting on looking at all other sides but the central to the problem?
Police brutality must stop. There need to be regulations - how to detain a suspect in a non-life-threatning way. Black Americans should feel just as safe in their country as white Americans. As the preacher on JF's memorial (I'm watching it life) says, everybody needs to pay for their crimes, weather they wear blue jeans or blue uniform and it has to become normalcy.
Police brutality must stop. There need to be regulations - how to detain a suspect in a non-life-threatning way. Black Americans should feel just as safe in their country as white Americans. As the preacher on JF's memorial (I'm watching it life) says, everybody needs to pay for their crimes, weather they wear blue jeans or blue uniform and it has to become normalcy.
Bottom line:
There does seem to be a problem with the American police force.
Change is required.
Anarchy is not.
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04 Jun 2020, 7:49 pm
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04 Jun 2020, 10:08 pm
beneficii wrote:
Quote:
It was March 1990, and Trump was being interviewed by Playboy magazine about his life as a real estate mogul. At one point, Trump was asked about a trip he'd taken to Moscow a few years prior.
Trump said he'd been "very unimpressed" with the Soviet Union.
"Their system is a disaster," Trump said. "What you will see there soon is a revolution; the signs are all there with the demonstrations and picketing. Russia is out of control and the leadership knows it. That's my problem with [former Soviet President Mikhail] Gorbachev. Not a firm enough hand."
Trump was then asked if he meant "firm hand as in China."
"When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it. Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength," Trump replied. "That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak...as being spit on by the rest of the world."
On June 4, 1989, after several weeks of pro-democracy and pro-reform demonstrations, Chinese troops entered Tiananmen Square in Beijing and fired on unarmed people. Hundreds, possibly thousands, were killed.
Trump said he'd been "very unimpressed" with the Soviet Union.
"Their system is a disaster," Trump said. "What you will see there soon is a revolution; the signs are all there with the demonstrations and picketing. Russia is out of control and the leadership knows it. That's my problem with [former Soviet President Mikhail] Gorbachev. Not a firm enough hand."
Trump was then asked if he meant "firm hand as in China."
"When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it. Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength," Trump replied. "That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak...as being spit on by the rest of the world."
On June 4, 1989, after several weeks of pro-democracy and pro-reform demonstrations, Chinese troops entered Tiananmen Square in Beijing and fired on unarmed people. Hundreds, possibly thousands, were killed.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-p ... 2020-6?amp
Erm,
Interesting,
But off-topic.
Quote:
Minneapolis cop with knee on neck of motionless, moaning man
*I'm* the "Off-Topic" queen here.
04 Jun 2020, 10:13 pm
04 Jun 2020, 10:20 pm
beneficii wrote:
Let me explicitly connect it to the topic then. From the same article:
Trump praised China for Tiananmen Square, so the same thing here in America is exactly what he wants in response to these protests. This is what he means by “dominating” the protesters.
Quote:
Trump, who as president has repeatedly praised authoritarian leaders, on Saturday threatened to use the "unlimited power" of the US military against protesters, and warned demonstrators at the White House they could be met with the "most vicious dogs, and most ominous weapons."
On Monday, Trump said GOP Sen. Tom Cotton was "100% Correct" after the Arkansas senator advocated for the use of military force to respond to the protests.
Experts on authoritarianism have warned that Trump's rhetoric has increasingly resembled that of autocratic regimes. Responding to Trump's tweet on shooting protesters last week, New York University historian Ruth Ben-Ghiat told Insider, "This is what American authoritarianism looks like."
Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut on Monday implored his Republican colleagues against allowing their "party's position become pushing for an American Tiananmen Square."
"Turning the army on protestors is what dictatorships do. It's literally the antithesis of America," Murphy tweeted.
On Monday, Trump said GOP Sen. Tom Cotton was "100% Correct" after the Arkansas senator advocated for the use of military force to respond to the protests.
Experts on authoritarianism have warned that Trump's rhetoric has increasingly resembled that of autocratic regimes. Responding to Trump's tweet on shooting protesters last week, New York University historian Ruth Ben-Ghiat told Insider, "This is what American authoritarianism looks like."
Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut on Monday implored his Republican colleagues against allowing their "party's position become pushing for an American Tiananmen Square."
"Turning the army on protestors is what dictatorships do. It's literally the antithesis of America," Murphy tweeted.
Trump praised China for Tiananmen Square, so the same thing here in America is exactly what he wants in response to these protests. This is what he means by “dominating” the protesters.
Good point, but it is still peripheral to the subject heading.
But let's face it.
This is an autistic website and we tend to diffuse into related, but not central considerations,
Something I have never done, however.
<irony>I'd rather this doesn't become simply a Trump-bashing exercise.
This is my main concern.
04 Jun 2020, 10:41 pm
Pepe wrote:
beneficii wrote:
Let me explicitly connect it to the topic then. From the same article:
Trump praised China for Tiananmen Square, so the same thing here in America is exactly what he wants in response to these protests. This is what he means by “dominating” the protesters.
Quote:
Trump, who as president has repeatedly praised authoritarian leaders, on Saturday threatened to use the "unlimited power" of the US military against protesters, and warned demonstrators at the White House they could be met with the "most vicious dogs, and most ominous weapons."
On Monday, Trump said GOP Sen. Tom Cotton was "100% Correct" after the Arkansas senator advocated for the use of military force to respond to the protests.
Experts on authoritarianism have warned that Trump's rhetoric has increasingly resembled that of autocratic regimes. Responding to Trump's tweet on shooting protesters last week, New York University historian Ruth Ben-Ghiat told Insider, "This is what American authoritarianism looks like."
Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut on Monday implored his Republican colleagues against allowing their "party's position become pushing for an American Tiananmen Square."
"Turning the army on protestors is what dictatorships do. It's literally the antithesis of America," Murphy tweeted.
On Monday, Trump said GOP Sen. Tom Cotton was "100% Correct" after the Arkansas senator advocated for the use of military force to respond to the protests.
Experts on authoritarianism have warned that Trump's rhetoric has increasingly resembled that of autocratic regimes. Responding to Trump's tweet on shooting protesters last week, New York University historian Ruth Ben-Ghiat told Insider, "This is what American authoritarianism looks like."
Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut on Monday implored his Republican colleagues against allowing their "party's position become pushing for an American Tiananmen Square."
"Turning the army on protestors is what dictatorships do. It's literally the antithesis of America," Murphy tweeted.
Trump praised China for Tiananmen Square, so the same thing here in America is exactly what he wants in response to these protests. This is what he means by “dominating” the protesters.
Good point, but it is still peripheral to the subject heading.
But let's face it.
This is an autistic website and we tend to diffuse into related, but not central considerations,
Something I have never done, however.
<irony>I'd rather this doesn't become simply a Trump-bashing exercise.
This is my main concern.
No, it's not. Trump has told cops to rough up suspects, he's authoritarian and finds affinity with despicable men like Kim Jong-Un. He ordered peaceful protesters in LaFayette Square tear-gassed so he could have a photo-op; and even booted the priest from the church. This is a fight between freedom and despotism, and Trump has clearly placed himself on the side of despotism. This quote regarding Tiananmen Square is just one piece of a larger puzzle showing us exactly where Trump stands.
You decry "Trump-bashing", but have you ever stopped to consider that it's warranted?
04 Jun 2020, 10:56 pm
beneficii wrote:
Pepe wrote:
beneficii wrote:
Let me explicitly connect it to the topic then. From the same article:
Trump praised China for Tiananmen Square, so the same thing here in America is exactly what he wants in response to these protests. This is what he means by “dominating” the protesters.
Quote:
Trump, who as president has repeatedly praised authoritarian leaders, on Saturday threatened to use the "unlimited power" of the US military against protesters, and warned demonstrators at the White House they could be met with the "most vicious dogs, and most ominous weapons."
On Monday, Trump said GOP Sen. Tom Cotton was "100% Correct" after the Arkansas senator advocated for the use of military force to respond to the protests.
Experts on authoritarianism have warned that Trump's rhetoric has increasingly resembled that of autocratic regimes. Responding to Trump's tweet on shooting protesters last week, New York University historian Ruth Ben-Ghiat told Insider, "This is what American authoritarianism looks like."
Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut on Monday implored his Republican colleagues against allowing their "party's position become pushing for an American Tiananmen Square."
"Turning the army on protestors is what dictatorships do. It's literally the antithesis of America," Murphy tweeted.
On Monday, Trump said GOP Sen. Tom Cotton was "100% Correct" after the Arkansas senator advocated for the use of military force to respond to the protests.
Experts on authoritarianism have warned that Trump's rhetoric has increasingly resembled that of autocratic regimes. Responding to Trump's tweet on shooting protesters last week, New York University historian Ruth Ben-Ghiat told Insider, "This is what American authoritarianism looks like."
Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut on Monday implored his Republican colleagues against allowing their "party's position become pushing for an American Tiananmen Square."
"Turning the army on protestors is what dictatorships do. It's literally the antithesis of America," Murphy tweeted.
Trump praised China for Tiananmen Square, so the same thing here in America is exactly what he wants in response to these protests. This is what he means by “dominating” the protesters.
Good point, but it is still peripheral to the subject heading.
But let's face it.
This is an autistic website and we tend to diffuse into related, but not central considerations,
Something I have never done, however.
<irony>I'd rather this doesn't become simply a Trump-bashing exercise.
This is my main concern.
No, it's not. Trump has told cops to rough up suspects, he's authoritarian and finds affinity with despicable men like Kim Jong-Un. He ordered peaceful protesters in LaFayette Square tear-gassed so he could have a photo-op; and even booted the priest from the church. This is a fight between freedom and despotism, and Trump has clearly placed himself on the side of despotism. This quote regarding Tiananmen Square is just one piece of a larger puzzle showing us exactly where Trump stands.
You decry "Trump-bashing", but have you ever stopped to consider that it's warranted?
You won't let this go. <sigh>
Please don't call 911 and say an autistic person is threatening you.
So you are saying Trump was responsible for the tactic employed on George?
I am pretty sure this sort of thing has happened pre-Trump.
And there has been a death, caused by a bouncer, over here in Australia, using the same technique when subduing someone at a club.
It is not happening just in America.
BTW,
Does *anyone* take what Trump says seriously?
04 Jun 2020, 11:08 pm
Pepe wrote:
beneficii wrote:
Pepe wrote:
beneficii wrote:
Let me explicitly connect it to the topic then. From the same article:
Trump praised China for Tiananmen Square, so the same thing here in America is exactly what he wants in response to these protests. This is what he means by “dominating” the protesters.
Quote:
Trump, who as president has repeatedly praised authoritarian leaders, on Saturday threatened to use the "unlimited power" of the US military against protesters, and warned demonstrators at the White House they could be met with the "most vicious dogs, and most ominous weapons."
On Monday, Trump said GOP Sen. Tom Cotton was "100% Correct" after the Arkansas senator advocated for the use of military force to respond to the protests.
Experts on authoritarianism have warned that Trump's rhetoric has increasingly resembled that of autocratic regimes. Responding to Trump's tweet on shooting protesters last week, New York University historian Ruth Ben-Ghiat told Insider, "This is what American authoritarianism looks like."
Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut on Monday implored his Republican colleagues against allowing their "party's position become pushing for an American Tiananmen Square."
"Turning the army on protestors is what dictatorships do. It's literally the antithesis of America," Murphy tweeted.
On Monday, Trump said GOP Sen. Tom Cotton was "100% Correct" after the Arkansas senator advocated for the use of military force to respond to the protests.
Experts on authoritarianism have warned that Trump's rhetoric has increasingly resembled that of autocratic regimes. Responding to Trump's tweet on shooting protesters last week, New York University historian Ruth Ben-Ghiat told Insider, "This is what American authoritarianism looks like."
Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut on Monday implored his Republican colleagues against allowing their "party's position become pushing for an American Tiananmen Square."
"Turning the army on protestors is what dictatorships do. It's literally the antithesis of America," Murphy tweeted.
Trump praised China for Tiananmen Square, so the same thing here in America is exactly what he wants in response to these protests. This is what he means by “dominating” the protesters.
Good point, but it is still peripheral to the subject heading.
But let's face it.
This is an autistic website and we tend to diffuse into related, but not central considerations,
Something I have never done, however.
<irony>I'd rather this doesn't become simply a Trump-bashing exercise.
This is my main concern.
No, it's not. Trump has told cops to rough up suspects, he's authoritarian and finds affinity with despicable men like Kim Jong-Un. He ordered peaceful protesters in LaFayette Square tear-gassed so he could have a photo-op; and even booted the priest from the church. This is a fight between freedom and despotism, and Trump has clearly placed himself on the side of despotism. This quote regarding Tiananmen Square is just one piece of a larger puzzle showing us exactly where Trump stands.
You decry "Trump-bashing", but have you ever stopped to consider that it's warranted?
You won't let this go. <sigh>
Please don't call 911 and say an autistic person is threatening you.
So you are saying Trump was responsible for the tactic employed on George?
I am pretty sure this sort of thing has happened pre-Trump.
And there has been a death, caused by a bouncer, over here in Australia, using the same technique when subduing someone at a club.
It is not happening just in America.
BTW,
Does *anyone* take what Trump says seriously?
I take his actions seriously, and his words which tie into those actions.
America is supposed to be a free country, with the freedom to assemble. It has been imperfect on that point, but the purpose of these protests is to improve that. The excessive use of force by police threatens that, and such excessive force is what the protesters are ultimately protesting again.
As for what you bring up about autism, people on the autism spectrum tend to take what people say and do literally, and don't simply ignore it for the sake of social niceties. Not taking Trump seriously, or trying to "read between the lines" when he's telling you who he is, seems like the opposite of what an autistic person would do.
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