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09 Oct 2019, 10:24 am

*Charlottesville to Keep Trying to Remove Confederate Statues

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The city of Charlottesville is preparing to appeal its defeat in a lawsuit over two Confederate monuments.
The Daily Progress reports the City Council on Monday night authorized the city attorney to appeal once a judge delivers his final ruling against removing statues of Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson.
Circuit Court Judge Richard Moore ruled last month that monuments don't send a racially discriminatory message. He also issued a permanent injunction preventing the city from removing the statues.
A group of residents sued the city, citing a state law that protects war memorials. The only outstanding issue is their request for more than $600,000 in attorneys' fees. A hearing is scheduled for Oct. 15.

U.S. Supreme Court won't hear Confederate monument case

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The U.S. Supreme Court will not hear an appeal by the United Daughters of the Confederacy in their fight to keep the Confederate monument on the Caddo Parish Courthouse grounds.

The denial of the writ upholds the previous decision of the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals, which affirmed the trial court’s ruling in favor of the Parish, dismissing the lawsuit.

“The parish is pleased that we have additional confirmation that we have the right to decide whether the Confederate monument can remain on the Courthouse grounds,” said Donna Frazier, parish attorney.

Three arrested after Confederate Memorial protest in Pittsboro

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Three people were arrested Saturday afternoon during the protest of a highly-contested Confederate Memorial in downtown Pittsboro.

Chatham County Sheriff's office said around 10 a.m., protestors and counter-protestors began to assemble on the sides of East Street near the Historic Courthouse, staying the bulk of the day before dispersing around 5 p.m.

Just after 2 p.m., deputies said there were 30 protestors and or counter-protestors in the area.

A New Statue in Times Square Challenges the Symbolism of Confederate Monuments

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Late last month, a towering statue of a man on horseback, his body twisted backward as though in the heat of battle, was unveiled in Times Square. At first glance, the statue might seem an odd addition to the bright lights and bustle of New York’s flashiest hub, an antiquated relic of a time when prominent men were memorialized with equestrian monuments. But a closer look reveals a decidedly modern artwork. The statue’s rider is an African-American man, his hair pulled into a knot atop his head. On his feet are a pair of Nikes.

As Reggie Ugwu reports for the New York Times, the monument is the latest creation by Kehinde Wiley, who is perhaps best known for painting the official portrait of President Barack Obama that hangs in the Smithsonian's National Portrait Gallery. Though the statue, titled “Rumors of War,” made its debut in Times Square, it will soon head to Richmond, Virginia—where it will serve as a direct challenge to the Confederate monuments that line one of the city’s famed thoroughfares.

“Rumors of War,” in fact, directly references a statue of the Confederate general J.E.B. Stuart on Richmond’s Monument Avenue, recently re-christened Arthur Ashe Boulevard in honor of the African-American tennis great. But the street is still home to multiple Confederate statues; the first one, which pays tribute to Robert E. Lee, was erected in 1890 amid a “national wave of sentimental monument-building on the 25th anniversary of the end of the Civil War,” according to Michael J. Lewis of the Wall Street Journal. A later statue of Confederate president Jefferson Davis was “widely understood to be a symbol of defiant racism, the architectural equivalent of a burning cross,” Lewis adds.

Wiley saw these monuments during a 2016 trip to Richmond for an exhibition of his work at the Virginia Museum of Fine Arts. He says he was drawn to the Stuart statue because “of the gestural feel of the horse,” according to Philip Kennicott of the Washington Post. But of course, “Rumors of War” is pointedly symbolic, infusing its rider with a dignity and regality that lions of the Confederacy sought to destroy.

“Today,” the artist said during the New York unveiling, per Ugwu of the Times, “we say yes to something that looks like us. We say yes to inclusivity. We say yes to broader notions of what it means to be an American.”

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09 Oct 2019, 12:37 pm

I imagine the city of Charlottesville could have done something much more productive with that +$600,000. Sadly, more taxpayers' money will probably be squandered as the city fights and loses to their own residents again. These people should be run out of their positions and replaced with people with their priorities straight. Taxpayers didn't give up large quantities of their money to line the pockets of lawyers. I'm glad I don't live there, it would make my blood boil. I am so tired of "elites" squandering vast amounts of public money on worthless vanity / virtue signalling projects. I would be genuinely surprised if anyone involved in the effort to remove them seriously gives a f**k, it's all about the virtue signalling. Removing the statues will change absolutely nothing in improving the lives of the people of Charlottesville, but $600,000 spent elsewhere could have made a big impact.

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12 Oct 2019, 11:50 am

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I wouldn't assume these residents represent the majority of residents in Charlottesville.

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12 Oct 2019, 5:16 pm

For anybody interested in the history of Charlottesville it's no different to the rest of the south even though it's always been a university/college town.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/ ... cist-past/

What was scary is again it's not the toothless hordes of blue overall wearing white gun owners who are well represented in regions just outside of Charlottesville. The university community in Charlottesville was a hotbed of the eugenics movement in the 1920s which stood by the flimsy intellectual basis for Jim crow and anti-miscegenation laws, the unintellectual KKK were always given a place in supposedly intellectual Charlottesville (the whites only fraternities on theoir campuses actually have names sourced from the old KKK). Thus the attitudes of the student body of nearby Virginia Tech (a very prestigious US university) has not changed much from segregation days
https://scholar.lib.vt.edu/VA-news/VA-P ... 120479.htm
http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2018 ... goes-viral
https://newsone.com/3787109/virginia-te ... us-racism/

The problems with the erection of the Robert Lee statues has been conveniently attributed to the alt-right who descended on Charlottesville but the local Charlottesville residents are equally to blame. They hid in their homes and university dorms when the young men marched with their Tikki torches but they still represent the "fine folks" who still support their confederate history and segregationist culture that exists even today,

As I said America needs to deal with the underlying problems of racism that permeate beneath the surface where nobody can see....

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13 Oct 2019, 8:10 am

I think we should get rid of Confederate monuments and outlaw the flags. Just like the Nazi flags that were outlawed.

But frankly I don't think that white-shaming southerners is ever going to fix any of the issues of racism in this region.

And I think that the TRUE reason the Union abolished slavery wasn't because they gave a s**t about the slaves, it was because they wanted to destroy the south's economy as revenge for betraying the country.

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13 Oct 2019, 11:34 am

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I think we should get rid of Confederate monuments and outlaw the flags. Just like the Nazi flags that were outlawed.

Flying Nazi flags and displaying confederate monuments is not against the law in the United States, it is constitutionally protected freedom of speech. Governments can and do decide not to use “hate” symbolism on public property. You want to make your private property a shrine to Nazi Germany not only can’t the government do anything about it, you can successfully sue them for failing to protect your first amendment rights.

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13 Oct 2019, 11:34 am

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DoTheTw1zt wrote:

Flying Nazi flags is not against the law in the United States, it is constitutionally protected freedom of speech.

Aren't they banned in Germany though? Or am I wrong again?

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13 Oct 2019, 11:43 am

DoTheTw1zt wrote:

ASPartOfMe wrote:

DoTheTw1zt wrote:

Flying Nazi flags is not against the law in the United States, it is constitutionally protected freedom of speech.

Aren't they banned in Germany though? Or am I wrong again?

They are banned in Germany and a lot of other places.

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13 Oct 2019, 11:46 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:

DoTheTw1zt wrote:

ASPartOfMe wrote:

DoTheTw1zt wrote:

Flying Nazi flags is not against the law in the United States, it is constitutionally protected freedom of speech.

Aren't they banned in Germany though? Or am I wrong again?

They are banned in Germany and a lot of other places.

Hurray! Im not wrong for once! :mrgreen:

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13 Oct 2019, 1:11 pm

I think personally what I hate most about the Confederate Flag is that it represents everything that the rest of this country hates about the south.

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16 Oct 2019, 12:47 am

Christopher Columbus statues in Providence, San Francisco vandalized on Columbus Day

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Two statues of Christopher Columbus were vandalized Monday, doused with red paint, as Columbus Day comes under increased scrutiny from those who criticize the Italian navigator's legacy.

The Columbus statue in downtown Providence, Rhode Island, was defaced early Monday, NBC affiliate WJAR reported. The statue was draped in a sign that read “Stop Celebrating Genocide,” a reference to Columbus’ role in the colonization of North America, the killing of indigenous groups and the spread of slavery.

Across the country, in San Francisco, a statue of Columbus in the city’s Little Italy neighborhood was similarly vandalized. Below the statue someone wrote, "Destroy all monuments of genocide and kill all colonizers,” NBC Bay Area reported.

Police in both Providence and San Francisco are investigating the vandalism of the statues, and said they have no suspects at this time

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16 Oct 2019, 1:49 am

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Christopher Columbus statues in Providence, San Francisco vandalized on Columbus Day

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About time! the guy was like Pizzaro started the who genocide

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25 Nov 2019, 1:04 pm

Another Confederate monument comes down, this time in North Carolina

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A Confederate monument that had stood in front of a North Carolina courthouse for 112 years was taken down overnight after months of debate and protests.

Georgia law prohibits removing these Confederate monuments. So Atlanta is adding context
Georgia law prohibits removing these Confederate monuments. So Atlanta is adding context
Crews used cranes early Wednesday to remove the monument -- a bronze statue of a Confederate soldier atop a marble pedestal -- from its spot outside the Chatham County courthouse in Pittsboro, roughly a 35-mile drive west of Raleigh.

It was the latest Confederate memorial in the South to be moved in the past few years amid a national debate about their purpose and necessity.
The county Board of Commissioners voted in August to remove the statue, CNN affiliate WRAL reported.

That sparked a court challenge by the group that donated the statue in 1907, the Winnie Davis Chapter of the United Daughters of the Confederacy. A judge ruled this month that the group did not give sufficient evidence supporting the monument's continued presence in front of the courthouse, CNN affiliate WTVD reported.

The statue and pedestal "will be transported to a safe location where they will be preserved and stored" until the Winnie Davis chapter "finds a more appropriate location to place them," the county said in a news release.

A few dozen people gathered to watch the removal after the county announced late Tuesday that it was about to happen, CNN affiliates reported.

Majority of North Carolinians want Confederate monuments to stay, poll says

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Nearly two-thirds of North Carolina residents support keeping Confederate statues and monuments on public property, according to a recent Elon University poll.
A survey of 1,500 North Carolina residents saw 65 percent saying they want Confederate monuments to stay on public, government-owned property such as parks, city squares and courthouses.

The other 35 percent want to see the monuments removed.
Of those who want the monuments to stay in place, 77 percent of those are white and 27 percent black, the poll shows.

“Republicans overwhelmingly support keeping Confederate statues and monuments on public property, with 91 percent holding that view, while just 36 percent of Democrats support keeping them where they are,” Elon University said in a release.

A total of 72 percent of those surveyed support adding historical context to the monuments through plaques.

Two charged with damaging Bentonville Confederate Monument

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Two people have been charged for damaging the Confederate Monument in Bentonville, Police Sgt. Gene Page told 40/29 News.

Laura Hammarstrom and Jeremy Ordaz, both adults, were charged with 1st Degree Criminal Mischief, a Class C Felony. They were assigned court dates in January.

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The bottom of the statue's musket has been broken off above the soldier's knee. It used to extend to the base.

A cannonball was taken from the statue in September 2017. It was found under a park bench on the square.

That summer, dueling petitions were circulated about the future of the statue. One wanted it removed from the square and brought to the Pea Ridge National Military Park. The other wanted to keep the statue where it is. The debate over the monument's location was reignited after a deadly white supremacist rally around a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee in Charlottesville, Virginia.

A group gathered around the monument one Sunday that August, saying they were wanted to "protect the statue."

The statue was dedicated by the James H. Berry Chapter of the United Daughters of the Confederacy in 1908. It depicts a Confederate soldier.

In 1914, a plaque was added to honor James Henderson Berry. Berry served in the Confederate Army during the Civil War, according to the Encyclopedia of Arkansas. He moved to Bentonville after the war to practice law, and was elected Governor of Arkansas 1882.

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25 Nov 2019, 1:10 pm

DoTheTw1zt wrote:

ASPartOfMe wrote:

DoTheTw1zt wrote:

ASPartOfMe wrote:

DoTheTw1zt wrote:

Flying Nazi flags is not against the law in the United States, it is constitutionally protected freedom of speech.

Aren't they banned in Germany though? Or am I wrong again?

They are banned in Germany and a lot of other places.

Hurray! Im not wrong for once! :mrgreen:

Yes. The Nazi flag is banned in Germany. So when Neo Nazi Skinheads march in Germany they need another flag as a stand in for the Swastika flag. Guess what flag they use as that stand in?

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25 Nov 2019, 1:15 pm

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... when Neo Nazi Skinheads march in Germany they need another flag as a stand in for the Swastika flag. Guess what flag they use as that stand in?

The Battle Flag of the Confederate States of America, of course.

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26 Nov 2019, 2:23 am

Not to mention the American stars and stripes flying proudly next to both the confederate flag and swastika

Only thing missing is a MAGA hat...oh wait

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