04 Jun 2020, 11:30 pm
beneficii wrote:
Pepe wrote:
beneficii wrote:
Pepe wrote:
beneficii wrote:
Let me explicitly connect it to the topic then. From the same article:
Trump praised China for Tiananmen Square, so the same thing here in America is exactly what he wants in response to these protests. This is what he means by “dominating” the protesters.
Quote:
Trump, who as president has repeatedly praised authoritarian leaders, on Saturday threatened to use the "unlimited power" of the US military against protesters, and warned demonstrators at the White House they could be met with the "most vicious dogs, and most ominous weapons."
On Monday, Trump said GOP Sen. Tom Cotton was "100% Correct" after the Arkansas senator advocated for the use of military force to respond to the protests.
Experts on authoritarianism have warned that Trump's rhetoric has increasingly resembled that of autocratic regimes. Responding to Trump's tweet on shooting protesters last week, New York University historian Ruth Ben-Ghiat told Insider, "This is what American authoritarianism looks like."
Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut on Monday implored his Republican colleagues against allowing their "party's position become pushing for an American Tiananmen Square."
"Turning the army on protestors is what dictatorships do. It's literally the antithesis of America," Murphy tweeted.
On Monday, Trump said GOP Sen. Tom Cotton was "100% Correct" after the Arkansas senator advocated for the use of military force to respond to the protests.
Experts on authoritarianism have warned that Trump's rhetoric has increasingly resembled that of autocratic regimes. Responding to Trump's tweet on shooting protesters last week, New York University historian Ruth Ben-Ghiat told Insider, "This is what American authoritarianism looks like."
Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut on Monday implored his Republican colleagues against allowing their "party's position become pushing for an American Tiananmen Square."
"Turning the army on protestors is what dictatorships do. It's literally the antithesis of America," Murphy tweeted.
Trump praised China for Tiananmen Square, so the same thing here in America is exactly what he wants in response to these protests. This is what he means by “dominating” the protesters.
Good point, but it is still peripheral to the subject heading.
But let's face it.
This is an autistic website and we tend to diffuse into related, but not central considerations,
Something I have never done, however.
<irony>I'd rather this doesn't become simply a Trump-bashing exercise.
This is my main concern.
No, it's not. Trump has told cops to rough up suspects, he's authoritarian and finds affinity with despicable men like Kim Jong-Un. He ordered peaceful protesters in LaFayette Square tear-gassed so he could have a photo-op; and even booted the priest from the church. This is a fight between freedom and despotism, and Trump has clearly placed himself on the side of despotism. This quote regarding Tiananmen Square is just one piece of a larger puzzle showing us exactly where Trump stands.
You decry "Trump-bashing", but have you ever stopped to consider that it's warranted?
You won't let this go. <sigh>
Please don't call 911 and say an autistic person is threatening you.
So you are saying Trump was responsible for the tactic employed on George?
I am pretty sure this sort of thing has happened pre-Trump.
And there has been a death, caused by a bouncer, over here in Australia, using the same technique when subduing someone at a club.
It is not happening just in America.
BTW,
Does *anyone* take what Trump says seriously?
I take his actions seriously, and his words which tie into those actions.
America is supposed to be a free country, with the freedom to assemble. It has been imperfect on that point, but the purpose of these protests is to improve that. The excessive use of force by police threatens that, and such excessive force is what the protesters are ultimately protesting again.
As for what you bring up about autism, people on the autism spectrum tend to take what people say and do literally, and don't simply ignore it for the sake of social niceties. Not taking Trump seriously, or trying to "read between the lines" when he's telling you who he is, seems like the opposite of what an autistic person would do.
Regarding: "Don't ring 911."
It was a joke related to another thread.
I did supply the "
" to indicate it was. BTW, you didn't answer my question: "So you are saying Trump was responsible for the tactic employed on George?"
I'm not sure how many times I have to say this:
I am not defending Trump.
I am defending rationality, objectivity and the Truth.
Extending the conversation beyond what happened to George is fine.
Misrepresenting the Truth is another thing.
If you can't see I am non-partisan, and that my focus is on making an objective assessment of the situation here, then it is pointless for us to try and have a discussion.
If we can't "Agree to Disagree", how about we simply ignore each other?
04 Jun 2020, 11:43 pm
Pepe wrote:
beneficii wrote:
Pepe wrote:
beneficii wrote:
Pepe wrote:
beneficii wrote:
Let me explicitly connect it to the topic then. From the same article:
Trump praised China for Tiananmen Square, so the same thing here in America is exactly what he wants in response to these protests. This is what he means by “dominating” the protesters.
Quote:
Trump, who as president has repeatedly praised authoritarian leaders, on Saturday threatened to use the "unlimited power" of the US military against protesters, and warned demonstrators at the White House they could be met with the "most vicious dogs, and most ominous weapons."
On Monday, Trump said GOP Sen. Tom Cotton was "100% Correct" after the Arkansas senator advocated for the use of military force to respond to the protests.
Experts on authoritarianism have warned that Trump's rhetoric has increasingly resembled that of autocratic regimes. Responding to Trump's tweet on shooting protesters last week, New York University historian Ruth Ben-Ghiat told Insider, "This is what American authoritarianism looks like."
Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut on Monday implored his Republican colleagues against allowing their "party's position become pushing for an American Tiananmen Square."
"Turning the army on protestors is what dictatorships do. It's literally the antithesis of America," Murphy tweeted.
On Monday, Trump said GOP Sen. Tom Cotton was "100% Correct" after the Arkansas senator advocated for the use of military force to respond to the protests.
Experts on authoritarianism have warned that Trump's rhetoric has increasingly resembled that of autocratic regimes. Responding to Trump's tweet on shooting protesters last week, New York University historian Ruth Ben-Ghiat told Insider, "This is what American authoritarianism looks like."
Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut on Monday implored his Republican colleagues against allowing their "party's position become pushing for an American Tiananmen Square."
"Turning the army on protestors is what dictatorships do. It's literally the antithesis of America," Murphy tweeted.
Trump praised China for Tiananmen Square, so the same thing here in America is exactly what he wants in response to these protests. This is what he means by “dominating” the protesters.
Good point, but it is still peripheral to the subject heading.
But let's face it.
This is an autistic website and we tend to diffuse into related, but not central considerations,
Something I have never done, however.
<irony>I'd rather this doesn't become simply a Trump-bashing exercise.
This is my main concern.
No, it's not. Trump has told cops to rough up suspects, he's authoritarian and finds affinity with despicable men like Kim Jong-Un. He ordered peaceful protesters in LaFayette Square tear-gassed so he could have a photo-op; and even booted the priest from the church. This is a fight between freedom and despotism, and Trump has clearly placed himself on the side of despotism. This quote regarding Tiananmen Square is just one piece of a larger puzzle showing us exactly where Trump stands.
You decry "Trump-bashing", but have you ever stopped to consider that it's warranted?
You won't let this go. <sigh>
Please don't call 911 and say an autistic person is threatening you.
So you are saying Trump was responsible for the tactic employed on George?
I am pretty sure this sort of thing has happened pre-Trump.
And there has been a death, caused by a bouncer, over here in Australia, using the same technique when subduing someone at a club.
It is not happening just in America.
BTW,
Does *anyone* take what Trump says seriously?
I take his actions seriously, and his words which tie into those actions.
America is supposed to be a free country, with the freedom to assemble. It has been imperfect on that point, but the purpose of these protests is to improve that. The excessive use of force by police threatens that, and such excessive force is what the protesters are ultimately protesting again.
As for what you bring up about autism, people on the autism spectrum tend to take what people say and do literally, and don't simply ignore it for the sake of social niceties. Not taking Trump seriously, or trying to "read between the lines" when he's telling you who he is, seems like the opposite of what an autistic person would do.
Regarding: "Don't ring 911."
It was a joke related to another thread.
I did supply the "
" to indicate it was. BTW, you didn't answer my question: "So you are saying Trump was responsible for the tactic employed on George?"
I'm not sure how many times I have to say this:
I am not defending Trump.
I am defending rationality, objectivity and the Truth.
Extending the conversation beyond what happened to George is fine.
Misrepresenting the Truth is another thing.
If you can't see I am non-partisan, and that my focus is on making an objective assessment of the situation here, then it is pointless for us to try and have a discussion.
If we can't "Agree to Disagree", how about we simply ignore each other?
The lady doth protest too much, methinks. You mention so much about your devotion for "objectivity" and "Truth" (with a capital T, no less!), and yet when I bring you insight into Trump's response to the protesters, protesters who are protesting what is the very topic of this thread, you just can't bring yourself to accept I have a valid point.
Let me just say that I don't think you're being sincere here.
04 Jun 2020, 11:49 pm
beneficii wrote:
Pepe wrote:
beneficii wrote:
Pepe wrote:
beneficii wrote:
Pepe wrote:
beneficii wrote:
Let me explicitly connect it to the topic then. From the same article:
Trump praised China for Tiananmen Square, so the same thing here in America is exactly what he wants in response to these protests. This is what he means by “dominating” the protesters.
Quote:
Trump, who as president has repeatedly praised authoritarian leaders, on Saturday threatened to use the "unlimited power" of the US military against protesters, and warned demonstrators at the White House they could be met with the "most vicious dogs, and most ominous weapons."
On Monday, Trump said GOP Sen. Tom Cotton was "100% Correct" after the Arkansas senator advocated for the use of military force to respond to the protests.
Experts on authoritarianism have warned that Trump's rhetoric has increasingly resembled that of autocratic regimes. Responding to Trump's tweet on shooting protesters last week, New York University historian Ruth Ben-Ghiat told Insider, "This is what American authoritarianism looks like."
Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut on Monday implored his Republican colleagues against allowing their "party's position become pushing for an American Tiananmen Square."
"Turning the army on protestors is what dictatorships do. It's literally the antithesis of America," Murphy tweeted.
On Monday, Trump said GOP Sen. Tom Cotton was "100% Correct" after the Arkansas senator advocated for the use of military force to respond to the protests.
Experts on authoritarianism have warned that Trump's rhetoric has increasingly resembled that of autocratic regimes. Responding to Trump's tweet on shooting protesters last week, New York University historian Ruth Ben-Ghiat told Insider, "This is what American authoritarianism looks like."
Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut on Monday implored his Republican colleagues against allowing their "party's position become pushing for an American Tiananmen Square."
"Turning the army on protestors is what dictatorships do. It's literally the antithesis of America," Murphy tweeted.
Trump praised China for Tiananmen Square, so the same thing here in America is exactly what he wants in response to these protests. This is what he means by “dominating” the protesters.
Good point, but it is still peripheral to the subject heading.
But let's face it.
This is an autistic website and we tend to diffuse into related, but not central considerations,
Something I have never done, however.
<irony>I'd rather this doesn't become simply a Trump-bashing exercise.
This is my main concern.
No, it's not. Trump has told cops to rough up suspects, he's authoritarian and finds affinity with despicable men like Kim Jong-Un. He ordered peaceful protesters in LaFayette Square tear-gassed so he could have a photo-op; and even booted the priest from the church. This is a fight between freedom and despotism, and Trump has clearly placed himself on the side of despotism. This quote regarding Tiananmen Square is just one piece of a larger puzzle showing us exactly where Trump stands.
You decry "Trump-bashing", but have you ever stopped to consider that it's warranted?
You won't let this go. <sigh>
Please don't call 911 and say an autistic person is threatening you.
So you are saying Trump was responsible for the tactic employed on George?
I am pretty sure this sort of thing has happened pre-Trump.
And there has been a death, caused by a bouncer, over here in Australia, using the same technique when subduing someone at a club.
It is not happening just in America.
BTW,
Does *anyone* take what Trump says seriously?
I take his actions seriously, and his words which tie into those actions.
America is supposed to be a free country, with the freedom to assemble. It has been imperfect on that point, but the purpose of these protests is to improve that. The excessive use of force by police threatens that, and such excessive force is what the protesters are ultimately protesting again.
As for what you bring up about autism, people on the autism spectrum tend to take what people say and do literally, and don't simply ignore it for the sake of social niceties. Not taking Trump seriously, or trying to "read between the lines" when he's telling you who he is, seems like the opposite of what an autistic person would do.
Regarding: "Don't ring 911."
It was a joke related to another thread.
I did supply the "
" to indicate it was. BTW, you didn't answer my question: "So you are saying Trump was responsible for the tactic employed on George?"
I'm not sure how many times I have to say this:
I am not defending Trump.
I am defending rationality, objectivity and the Truth.
Extending the conversation beyond what happened to George is fine.
Misrepresenting the Truth is another thing.
If you can't see I am non-partisan, and that my focus is on making an objective assessment of the situation here, then it is pointless for us to try and have a discussion.
If we can't "Agree to Disagree", how about we simply ignore each other?
The lady doth protest too much, methinks. You mention so much about your devotion for "objectivity" and "Truth" (with a capital T, no less!), and yet when I bring you insight into Trump's response to the protesters, protesters who are protesting what is the very topic of this thread, you just can't bring yourself to accept I have a valid point.
Let me just say that I don't think you're being sincere here.
I'm ignoring you now.
I'm not even responding to your post, errr.
D'oh!
05 Jun 2020, 12:11 am
National Guard troops kneeled with protesters on Tuesday. This I think is an important gesture, showing that the American people are sovereign, and this unit at least recognizes that:
https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/06 ... hollywood/
05 Jun 2020, 12:21 am
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05 Jun 2020, 3:08 am
TheRobotLives wrote:
Once of the George Floyd cops charged with "aiding an abetting" was only a police officer for ony 4 days.
ONLY 4 days.
"Lane was also new to the job, only on the force for four days when the incident occurred, his attorney Earl Gray claimed"
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ex-minneapol ... 47488.html
Now he could get 40 years in prison.
He is the one who suggested to Officer Chauvin to put Mr. Floyd on his side.
ONLY 4 days.
"Lane was also new to the job, only on the force for four days when the incident occurred, his attorney Earl Gray claimed"
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ex-minneapol ... 47488.html
Now he could get 40 years in prison.
He is the one who suggested to Officer Chauvin to put Mr. Floyd on his side.
Talk about a bad career choice.
05 Jun 2020, 3:34 am
Pepe wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
Once of the George Floyd cops charged with "aiding an abetting" was only a police officer for ony 4 days.
ONLY 4 days.
"Lane was also new to the job, only on the force for four days when the incident occurred, his attorney Earl Gray claimed"
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ex-minneapol ... 47488.html
Now he could get 40 years in prison.
He is the one who suggested to Officer Chauvin to put Mr. Floyd on his side.
ONLY 4 days.
"Lane was also new to the job, only on the force for four days when the incident occurred, his attorney Earl Gray claimed"
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ex-minneapol ... 47488.html
Now he could get 40 years in prison.
He is the one who suggested to Officer Chauvin to put Mr. Floyd on his side.
Talk about a bad career choice.
As well as inadequate training (At least he may have the possibility of "mitigation", having tried to stop Mr Chauvin, albeit in a small way).
No doubt the two new officers were under instructions to follow the lead\directions of the senior officers, and likely had no idea whether what they were doing was right or not...or what was actually occuring at the time, never having been in, nor observed, a similar situation.
05 Jun 2020, 3:34 am
05 Jun 2020, 3:37 am
sly279 wrote:
We need more this 
And less this
And less this
Agreed...But which one gives the media better ratings/more viewers, as that is the only way either message really makes it's way to the public, and so is going to be the focus of the reporting.
05 Jun 2020, 4:00 am
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