[IMPORTANT] Hamas launches foot assault against settlements.

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Maybe people should consider how they would feel if they were Palestinian civilians.

https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-p ... -4000-enar

That’s pretty damn horrific not even factoring in chemical weapons, the lack of aid, etc.

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Obviously it would suck to be a Palestinian in Gaza even w/o the war. Average life expectancy of 18 FFS. Lack of food, water, power, medicine etc.

On the flipside, this is war.. and in what war are there no civilian casualties? Not sure if there's ever been one. Unfortunately for Palestinian civilians, their government is a terrorist organization hell bent on killing their Jewish neighbours.. so, with fine folks like that in power, this is what you get.

Yes, I've learned that once elected in 2005 hamas has never held another election.. and that 1/2 of the people they govern have been born since then and brought up with hamas propaganda/otherwise likely feel powerless to change their own government. So, really, in the end if hamas is completely wiped out it creates an opportunity for remaining Palestinian civilians to form a new government who's sole purpose isn't terrorist activities against Jews and then maybe they'll have nice things like an increasing life expectancy. Ideally hamas could be eliminated by a series of surgical strikes that Only killed hamas members, but we don't live in an ideal world and those f*****s are using child civilians as human shields -> apparently their headquarters is underneath a hospital (and that location has been known for years) because they're using doctors and patients as human shields.

So it seems that in order to eliminate hamas and liberate Palestinians there are going to be some unavoidable civilian casualties. Going to be difficult for survivors to forgive Israelis for those civilian deaths, but in a perfect world with hamas gone that would happen and those remaining would choose some form of live and let live peace with Israelis vs. forming another war party that will inevitably lead to more and more children dying.

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Geneva Convention has entered the chat.

They’ve fired indiscriminately on civilians. The vast majority of their casualties have been civilians. They have engaged in war crimes. I don’t understand how people can justify this even remotely.

I knew a few people who lost family members on 9/11, but who opposed at least some aspects of the War on Terror. I remember an organization that was created for such families, "Not in Our Name," if I remember its name correctly.

I'd like to think I would be the same, but I'm not sure if I could be completely objective in wanting justice, at least while the pain was still raw.

If true, that's not cool. They should at the very least have verified hamas targets they're wiping off the map.. and then if other people die because they happen to be in the line of fire/there with the terrorists then there'll be "collateral damage," as they say. But to straight up bomb civilians knowingly without even having a hamas target is no bueno at all.

International humanitarian law has entered the chat.

Back in the 1990s lasting peace seemed at hand. Things have fallen far since then.

I'm at a loss as to how to solve the situation. What good is a ceasefire or peace treaty? There are too many hardliners on both sides for peace to last.

Meanwhile, international involvement is mostly dictated by whether a county's leadership thinks Jews or Muslims, as a class, are subhuman. And American evangelicals are probably all giddy at the thought that this is a sign of the End Times.

As punishment for launching an organized campaign of widespread, deliberate, indiscriminate mass-murder of civilians the entire Hamas leadership must be exterminated, and the organization must permanently cease to exist. But Netanyahu also deserves to be shot,and his key supporters need to be permanently thrown out of government.

We probably need a massive decade-long UN peacekeeping occupation of Gaza, which I doubt the world has the stomach for. Also, any attempts by Israelis to establish settlements in Palestinian territory in violation of agreements needs to be punished with death.

Israel must accept the West Bank as an independent Palestine and Gaza as an independent Palestinian city-state. Maybe someday Israel-Palestine can be one big country with some kind of proportional representation, but reality shows that dream is now a long way off.

Six Chinese warships were operating in West Asia amid Israel-Hamas tensions

Hamas?

You know, I can imagine that being raised stateless and kept in deplorable conditions for my whole life might have made me pretty willing to lash out at those I saw as responsible, but brutally murdering women and children in the most horrific ways possible and broadcasting it to the world? Or cheering while others did it? No amount of "root causes" can excuse that.

Hamas AND Israel. Note my signature.

You'd be left in a tricky situation if the criteria for extermination is "an organized campaign of widespread, deliberate, indiscriminate mass-murder of civilians"