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05 May 2020, 2:41 pm

Authors of the "Game Changer" ^ ^ ^

Chunyan Wang 1,6, Wentao Li 1,6, Dubravka Drabek 2,3,6, Nisreen M. A. Okba 4, Rien van Haperen 2,3,
Albert D. M. E. Osterhaus 5, Frank J. M. van Kuppeveld 1, Bart L. Haagmans 4, Frank Grosveld 2,3,7 &
Berend-Jan Bosch 1,7


1Virology Section, Infectious Diseases and Immunology Division, Department of Biomolecular Health Sciences, Faculty of Veterinary Medicine, Utrecht University, Utrecht, the Netherlands
2Department of Cell Biology, Erasmus Medical Center, Rotterdam, the Netherlands
3Harbour BioMed, Rotterdam, the Netherlands
4Department of Viroscience, Erasmus Medical Center, Rotterdam, the Netherlands
5University of Veterinary Medicine, Hannover, Germany
6These authors contributed equally: Chunyan Wang, Wentao Li, Dubravka Drabek
7These authors jointly supervised the work: Frank Grosveld, Berend-Jan Bosch


Acknowledgements
We thank Dr. Yoshiharu Matsuura (Osaka University, Japan) for the provision of the
luciferase-encoding VSV-G-pseudotyped VSVΔG-luc virus, and Yongle Yang, Michael
van der Reijden and Rick Janssens for technical support. We thank Christian Drosten
(Charité Universitätsmedizin Berlin, Germany) for provision of the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
This study was done within the framework of National Centre for One Health (NCOH),
the Utrecht Molecular Immunology Hub—Utrecht University and the Innovative
Medicines Initiative (IMI) Zoonotic Anticipation and Preparedness Initiative [ZAPI
project; grant agreement no. 115760]. The mice used in this study were generated by
Harbour Antibodies BV, a daughter company of Harbour Biomed (http://www.
harbourbiomed.com). C. Wang was supported by a grant from the Chinese Scholarship
Council (file number CSC201708620178).


Amazing none of them are American. :wink:

Someone previously posted that breakthroughs could only be made by Americans.


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05 May 2020, 3:09 pm

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Is China negligent? No question.

A couple of US congress people sold their personal stocks, because they were given intel about coronavirus.

Doesn't that mean Trump knew and ignored the danger?

He told people coronavirus will "magically go away in April".

Mourning in America video seemed to hit a Trump nerve
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05 May 2020, 3:12 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
Authors of the "Game Changer" ^ ^ ^

Chunyan Wang 1,6, Wentao Li 1,6, Dubravka Drabek 2,3,6, Nisreen M. A. Okba 4, Rien van Haperen 2,3,
Albert D. M. E. Osterhaus 5, Frank J. M. van Kuppeveld 1, Bart L. Haagmans 4, Frank Grosveld 2,3,7 &
Berend-Jan Bosch 1,7


1Virology Section, Infectious Diseases and Immunology Division, Department of Biomolecular Health Sciences, Faculty of Veterinary Medicine, Utrecht University, Utrecht, the Netherlands
2Department of Cell Biology, Erasmus Medical Center, Rotterdam, the Netherlands
3Harbour BioMed, Rotterdam, the Netherlands
4Department of Viroscience, Erasmus Medical Center, Rotterdam, the Netherlands
5University of Veterinary Medicine, Hannover, Germany
6These authors contributed equally: Chunyan Wang, Wentao Li, Dubravka Drabek
7These authors jointly supervised the work: Frank Grosveld, Berend-Jan Bosch


Acknowledgements
We thank Dr. Yoshiharu Matsuura (Osaka University, Japan) for the provision of the
luciferase-encoding VSV-G-pseudotyped VSVΔG-luc virus, and Yongle Yang, Michael
van der Reijden and Rick Janssens for technical support. We thank Christian Drosten
(Charité Universitätsmedizin Berlin, Germany) for provision of the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
This study was done within the framework of National Centre for One Health (NCOH),
the Utrecht Molecular Immunology Hub—Utrecht University and the Innovative
Medicines Initiative (IMI) Zoonotic Anticipation and Preparedness Initiative [ZAPI
project; grant agreement no. 115760]. The mice used in this study were generated by
Harbour Antibodies BV, a daughter company of Harbour Biomed (http://www.
harbourbiomed.com). C. Wang was supported by a grant from the Chinese Scholarship
Council (file number CSC201708620178).


Amazing none of them are American. :wink:

Someone previously posted that breakthroughs could only be made by Americans.

Anyone surprised? The Old World still exists and research institutes in Netherlands and Germany can be really cool 8) (seen some, though completely different specializations)


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05 May 2020, 4:15 pm

The GOP is working on getting some business liability protections put in the next stimulus bill once that is in place i suspect the president will open everything back up and if you die you die. Currently if you go back to work and the business does not provide PPE it is likely a OSHA violation which would open up the business to getting their pants sued off if a employee gets really sick or die due to catching the virus at work

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"The federal OSHA General Duty Clause requires that an employer provide their employees with a workplace free from recognized hazards likely to cause death or serious physical harm — this includes injury from infectious diseases such as COVID-19. (OSHA-approved state plans will have similar or more protective standards.) Employers are obligated to provide their workers with personal protective equipment (PPE) needed to keep them safe while performing their jobs"

https://www.kiplinger.com/article/busin ... ights.html


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05 May 2020, 4:22 pm

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The GOP is working on getting some business liability protections put in the next stimulus bill once that is in place i suspect the president will open everything back up and if you die you die. Currently if you go back to work and the business does not provide PPE it is likely a OSHA violation which would open up the business to getting their pants sued off if a employee gets really sick or die due to catching the virus at work

Quote:
"The federal OSHA General Duty Clause requires that an employer provide their employees with a workplace free from recognized hazards likely to cause death or serious physical harm — this includes injury from infectious diseases such as COVID-19. (OSHA-approved state plans will have similar or more protective standards.) Employers are obligated to provide their workers with personal protective equipment (PPE) needed to keep them safe while performing their jobs"

https://www.kiplinger.com/article/busin ... ights.html


As far as work is concerned I know that thankfully in my state a law was passed that will guarantee that any healthcare worker who contracts the virus will be guaranteed workers compensation benefits. Prior to that law, it would have been argued hard to prove conclusively that a healthcare worker got the virus somewhere else (e.g. grocery store, bank, essential business, handling infected home delivered groceries, on a walk, etc).

As far as any worker who is not a healthcare worker dealing directly with infected people, it would still be hard for a person to prove conclusively that they were infected at work rather than somewhere else.



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05 May 2020, 4:26 pm

Magna wrote:
Brehus wrote:
The GOP is working on getting some business liability protections put in the next stimulus bill once that is in place i suspect the president will open everything back up and if you die you die. Currently if you go back to work and the business does not provide PPE it is likely a OSHA violation which would open up the business to getting their pants sued off if a employee gets really sick or die due to catching the virus at work

Quote:
"The federal OSHA General Duty Clause requires that an employer provide their employees with a workplace free from recognized hazards likely to cause death or serious physical harm — this includes injury from infectious diseases such as COVID-19. (OSHA-approved state plans will have similar or more protective standards.) Employers are obligated to provide their workers with personal protective equipment (PPE) needed to keep them safe while performing their jobs"

https://www.kiplinger.com/article/busin ... ights.html


As far as work is concerned I know that thankfully in my state a law was passed that will guarantee that any healthcare worker who contracts the virus will be guaranteed workers compensation benefits. Prior to that law, it would have been argued hard to prove conclusively that a healthcare worker got the virus somewhere else (e.g. grocery store, bank, essential business, handling infected home delivered groceries, on a walk, etc).

As far as any worker who is not a healthcare worker dealing directly with infected people, it would still be hard for a person to prove conclusively that they were infected at work rather than somewhere else.


Not to throw a wrench in things, but will they also get free treatment, medication, hospital care, and home care afterward?

A free funeral?

I'm not trying to be sarcastic, but I worry about American healthcare professionals risking their lives in this way. My cousin's wife is one of them and they have limited insurance coverage for the family including two young children. She stayed in a hotel for six weeks away from her family, at her own expense, so she wouldn't get her family sick.


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05 May 2020, 4:35 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
Magna wrote:
Brehus wrote:
The GOP is working on getting some business liability protections put in the next stimulus bill once that is in place i suspect the president will open everything back up and if you die you die. Currently if you go back to work and the business does not provide PPE it is likely a OSHA violation which would open up the business to getting their pants sued off if a employee gets really sick or die due to catching the virus at work

Quote:
"The federal OSHA General Duty Clause requires that an employer provide their employees with a workplace free from recognized hazards likely to cause death or serious physical harm — this includes injury from infectious diseases such as COVID-19. (OSHA-approved state plans will have similar or more protective standards.) Employers are obligated to provide their workers with personal protective equipment (PPE) needed to keep them safe while performing their jobs"

https://www.kiplinger.com/article/busin ... ights.html


As far as work is concerned I know that thankfully in my state a law was passed that will guarantee that any healthcare worker who contracts the virus will be guaranteed workers compensation benefits. Prior to that law, it would have been argued hard to prove conclusively that a healthcare worker got the virus somewhere else (e.g. grocery store, bank, essential business, handling infected home delivered groceries, on a walk, etc).

As far as any worker who is not a healthcare worker dealing directly with infected people, it would still be hard for a person to prove conclusively that they were infected at work rather than somewhere else.


Not to throw a wrench in things, but will they also get free treatment, medication, hospital care, and home care afterward?

A free funeral?

I'm not trying to be sarcastic, but I worry about American healthcare professionals risking their lives in this way. My cousin's wife is one of them and they have limited insurance coverage for the family including two young children.


Yes, typically workers comp benefits pays a funeral or burial fee when someone dies from a work related injury or illness.

In my state both medical and lost wage benefits are paid up to the end of a person's lifetime if they're permanently disabled from a work related injury or illness. That includes if they were disabled at age 20, for example and lived to be 110. The insurance company would have to pay benefits to them if they qualify for 90 years.

It is lawful for workers compensation insurance companies to settle with the claimant if the terms were mutually agreeable, however.



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05 May 2020, 4:50 pm

Magna wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
Magna wrote:
Brehus wrote:
The GOP is working on getting some business liability protections put in the next stimulus bill once that is in place i suspect the president will open everything back up and if you die you die. Currently if you go back to work and the business does not provide PPE it is likely a OSHA violation which would open up the business to getting their pants sued off if a employee gets really sick or die due to catching the virus at work

Quote:
"The federal OSHA General Duty Clause requires that an employer provide their employees with a workplace free from recognized hazards likely to cause death or serious physical harm — this includes injury from infectious diseases such as COVID-19. (OSHA-approved state plans will have similar or more protective standards.) Employers are obligated to provide their workers with personal protective equipment (PPE) needed to keep them safe while performing their jobs"

https://www.kiplinger.com/article/busin ... ights.html


As far as work is concerned I know that thankfully in my state a law was passed that will guarantee that any healthcare worker who contracts the virus will be guaranteed workers compensation benefits. Prior to that law, it would have been argued hard to prove conclusively that a healthcare worker got the virus somewhere else (e.g. grocery store, bank, essential business, handling infected home delivered groceries, on a walk, etc).

As far as any worker who is not a healthcare worker dealing directly with infected people, it would still be hard for a person to prove conclusively that they were infected at work rather than somewhere else.


Not to throw a wrench in things, but will they also get free treatment, medication, hospital care, and home care afterward?

A free funeral?

I'm not trying to be sarcastic, but I worry about American healthcare professionals risking their lives in this way. My cousin's wife is one of them and they have limited insurance coverage for the family including two young children.


Yes, typically workers comp benefits pays a funeral or burial fee when someone dies from a work related injury or illness.

In my state both medical and lost wage benefits are paid up to the end of a person's lifetime if they're permanently disabled from a work related injury or illness. That includes if they were disabled at age 20, for example and lived to be 110. The insurance company would have to pay benefits to them if they qualify for 90 years.

It is lawful for workers compensation insurance companies to settle with the claimant if the terms were mutually agreeable, however.


That's good to know, thanks.

Would the "medical and lost wage benefits" packages pay 100% of their expenses?

I always hear about co-pay in America but I'm not sure what that means.

I think it means they still have to pay some / a fair chunk of money for most services, out of pocket.

Maybe that would be waived in this case for healthcare workers, or maybe the benefit is automatically 100%.

Would it extend to their families, if they got sick and then their families became sick after?

(Yes, my mind always snowballs).


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05 May 2020, 4:53 pm

Every time I visit my doctor, I have to pay a $15 co-pay.



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05 May 2020, 5:02 pm

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Roughly what do you estimate it would cost for you to be in hospital for a month in critical care with diagnostic tests and specialists, using a ventilator, trying lots of new medications, and then going home with an oxygen tank, possible kidney dialysis, and a home care nurse?

I know that the healthcare workers' package which Magna described might be different, but I'm just curious.

I always freak out when I hear American medical costs.


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05 May 2020, 5:12 pm

For me, if I use “in network” doctors, I would only have to pay $500.

But I have to make sure all my doctors are “in network.”



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05 May 2020, 5:14 pm

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For me, if I use “in network” doctors, I would only have to pay $500.

But I have to make sure all my doctors are “in network.”


That's good to know. That's not as bad as I imagined. I've heard horror stories.

I hope your network has all the specialists who would be involved in C19 care.


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05 May 2020, 5:18 pm

I’m lucky.

One on Medicare might have to pay 20% out of pocket—which could come out to a lot. That’s probably the situation with many people.

All people who make under about $20,000 a year get free medical care. More if one lives in a place like NY State.

The problems come with people who make about $40,000, and their company doesn’t provide health insurance.



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05 May 2020, 5:22 pm

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I’m lucky.

One on Medicare might have to pay 20% out of pocket—which could come out to a lot. That’s probably the situation with many people.

All people who make under about $25,000 get free medical care.


My mother was in hospital in CA for a few days, when she was visiting her sister. She was billed something insane. I can't remember but it was well over $20K USD for the tests and medicines, and the bed. Of course she had travel insurance and didn't have to pay it, but the bill was astounding. I hope the benefit that Magna outlined will cover all expenses for the heroes who are providing healthcare across America.


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05 May 2020, 5:23 pm

This is true for people without health insurance.



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05 May 2020, 5:37 pm

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Government scientist Neil Ferguson resigns after breaking lockdown rules to meet his married lover
Prof Ferguson allowed the woman to visit him at home during the lockdown while lecturing the public on the need for strict social distancing

The scientist whose advice prompted Boris Johnson to lock down Britain resigned from his Government advisory position on Tuesday night as The Telegraph can reveal he broke social distancing rules to meet his married lover.

Professor Neil Ferguson allowed the woman to visit him at home during the lockdown while lecturing the public on the need for strict social distancing in order to reduce the spread of coronavirus. The woman lives with her husband and their children in another house.

The epidemiologist leads the team at Imperial College London that produced the computer-modelled research that led to the national lockdown, which claimed that more than 500,000 Britons would die without the measures.

Prof Ferguson has frequently appeared in the media to support the lockdown and praised the “very intensive social distancing” measures.

The revelation of the “illegal” trysts will infuriate millions of couples living apart and banned by the Government from meeting up during the lockdown, which is now in its seventh week.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... -breaking/


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