Emergence of a Deadly Coronavirus
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'Shocking’: 66% of new coronavirus patients in N.Y. stayed home: Cuomo
The governor said it was “shocking" that 66% of new coronavirus hospitalizations are people who are either retired or unemployed and not commuting to work on a regular basis.
The statistic comes from a preliminary survey of 113 hospitals, done over three days, that included 1,269 responses as the state seeks more information about how COVID-19 spreads.
According to the data, 18% of new cases came from nursing homes, 4% from assisted-living facilities, 2% from congregate-care facilities, 2% were homeless, less than 1% from prisons and 8% were marked as “other."
“This is a surprise: Overwhelmingly, the people were at home,” Cuomo said during a briefing on Long Island. “We thought maybe they were taking public transportation, and we’ve taken special precautions on public transportation, but actually no, because these people were literally at home.”
A total of 46% of new cases were unemployed and 37% were retired. Age also played a factor, the data shows that 73% of people being hospitalized were 51 and older, the survey found.
Most of the hospitalizations have been concentrated in the city and surrounding suburbs, which have been hit hard by the pandemic, Cuomo added.
There were 232 COVID-19 deaths and about 600 new coronavirus patients admitted into New York hospitals a day earlier, the governor said, indicating that the state’s hospitalization rate is trending downward.
Coronavirus-linked illness akin to Kawasaki disease strikes 64 children in New York state
Sixty-four possible cases of “Pediatric Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome,” similar to a rare condition known as Kawasaki disease, had been observed in the state as of Tuesday, the advisory said.
A majority of children who developed the inflammation have tested positive for coronavirus or the antibodies that develop when someone has had the virus.
“Thankfully most children with COVID-19 only experience mild symptoms," said Howard Zucker, the state health commissioner.
"But in some, a dangerous inflammatory syndrome can develop,” said Zucker. "While we continue to reduce cases through social distancing, discoveries like this remind us we are still in the middle of our response to this deadly pandemic.”
Symptoms include a prolonged fever, abdominal pain, vomiting, rash, swollen lymph nodes and redness in the eyes, the state says. Those symptoms are similar to Kawasaki disease, an illness that causes swelling and redness in blood vessels throughout the body.
Kawasaki disease can be treated with high doses of aspirin or an infusion of gamma globulin, which can boost immunity to disease, according to the Mayo Clinic. Kids under five are at most risk of developing the rare condition.
The advisory — issued two days after the city flagged at least 15 cases in the five boroughs — says medical facilities must immediately test the patients for COVID-19 and report the cases to the state.
“Early recognition by pediatricians and prompt referral to an in-patient specialist, including to critical care, is essential,” says the alert to local health departments and hospitals.
The cases reported in the city involved children who were hospitalized between April 17 and May 1 with “illnesses compatible with” a form of Kawasaki or toxic shock syndrome, according to the city Health Department.
More than half of the kids hospitalized required blood pressure support and five needed ventilators to help them breathe.
Roughly 3,500 to 4,500 cases of Kawasaki disease in children under age 5 are reported each year in the U.S., the state says on its information page about Kawasaki disease, which was last updated in 2011.
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The governor said it was “shocking" that 66% of new coronavirus hospitalizations are people who are either retired or unemployed and not commuting to work on a regular basis.
The statistic comes from a preliminary survey of 113 hospitals, done over three days, that included 1,269 responses as the state seeks more information about how COVID-19 spreads.
According to the data, 18% of new cases came from nursing homes, 4% from assisted-living facilities, 2% from congregate-care facilities, 2% were homeless, less than 1% from prisons and 8% were marked as “other."
“This is a surprise: Overwhelmingly, the people were at home,” Cuomo said during a briefing on Long Island. “We thought maybe they were taking public transportation, and we’ve taken special precautions on public transportation, but actually no, because these people were literally at home.”
A total of 46% of new cases were unemployed and 37% were retired. Age also played a factor, the data shows that 73% of people being hospitalized were 51 and older, the survey found.
Most of the hospitalizations have been concentrated in the city and surrounding suburbs, which have been hit hard by the pandemic, Cuomo added.
There were 232 COVID-19 deaths and about 600 new coronavirus patients admitted into New York hospitals a day earlier, the governor said, indicating that the state’s hospitalization rate is trending downward.
I don't know what's so "shocking" about it.
It's the same as in UK - lockdowns were introduced only after significant number of people died - that means, at a moment when there were plenty of mild and asymptomatic carriers walking around.
Care homes and other facilities like this have staff that doesn't stay at home if they go to work.
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So people are sheltering at home and they still get the coronavirus. I recall earlier I posted the results of a study from China that came to the same conclusion. They looked at around 180 cities/villages if I recall correctly and found most of the infections originated indoors (such as people's homes).
It is actually safer outdoors, in the sunlight which kills the virus and with the gentle breezes the blow and dissipate the viral loads.
Lesson learned: Don't be afraid to venture outdoors for some sunshine. It is actually safer for you and will also help to raise your spirits.
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I'm wondering how things will be different in public a year from now, 2 years from now, etc. If the virus becomes a more or less permanent fixture like the common cold (ie being able to contract it any time during the year but increasing risk during seasonal peaks), will it be considered acceptable for workers to wear masks if they so choose even if their coworkers don't want to wear masks?
Example: 2 years from now if there is no vaccine and no guaranteed effective treatment course for everyone and if we find the virus once caught is incurable and remains for life, will it be accepted for grocery store workers to wear masks and gloves during their shifts if they choose? Or will there be peer pressure at some point to stop wearing masks even if there is still a risk?
Only time will tell.
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Trump personal valet tests positive for coronavirus, but White House says president is negative
The valet, who is a member of the military, would have very close contact with Trump as he assisted the president with his clothes and other personal needs.
A White House official who spoke NBC News said that the valet, who is a man, like other valets does not wear masks around the president.
The official said that the president was “not happy” when he learned Wednesday that his valet had tested positive.
A source with knowledge of the situation described it to NBC News as an “operational failure.” That source said that everyone who works in close proximity to the president should be wearing masks.
“We were recently notified by the White House Medical Unit that a member of the United States Military, who works on the White House campus, has tested positive for Coronavirus,” White House spokesman Hogan Gidley said in a statement Thursday,
“The President and the Vice President have since tested negative for the virus and they remain in great health,” Gidley said.
Pence was en route to visit a health-care facility in Alexandria, Virginia as the news broke.
The vice president did not wear a mask during his vist to the facility, which houses some patients with Covid-19. Pence did not respond to shouted questioned from reporters about the president’s valet.
CNN first reported that the individual who tested positive is personal valet for Trump.
A Defense Department spokesman said, “As with any other service member who tests positive, the individual will quarantine in their residence, and will receive medical care as needed.”
The White House declined to say whether Trump planned to quarantine following news of his aide’s diagnosis.
As of noon Thursday, the president was still planning to meet with Texas Gov. Greg Abbott at 2 p.m. Two hours after that, Trump is scheduled to speak at the White House for a National Day of Prayer Service.
CNN reported that the individual who tested positive began displaying symptoms of the virus on Wednesday.
Based on what is currently known about coronavirus, the incubation period between when a person is first exposed and when they exhibit symptoms is, on average, five or six days.
It is unclear how contagious people are during this period. But according to Harvard Medical School’s coronavirus information center, “emerging research suggests that people may actually be most likely to spread the virus to others during the 48 hours before they start to experience symptoms.”
Trump has refused to weak a mask as a precaution against the coronavirus despite federal health guidance that suggests all Americans do so when in public and when unable to maintain a six-foot distance from other people.
Trump did not wear a mask Tuesday while touring the production area of a Honeywell factory in Phoenix, which is manufacturing n95 masks for the Defense Department. Trump said Honeywell officials had told the White House that he did not need to wear a mask, despite signs at the factory reminding workers to wear masks at all times.
According to the White House Historical Society, there are few people who work more closely, physically speaking, with the president and his family than the president’s valet.
A position that dates back to George Washington, every president has had at least one valet who helps him to dress, maintains his clothes and sees to his personal needs within the residence.
“In addition to caring for the presidential clothing, valets were personal assistants, messengers, confidants, nurses, barbers, bartenders, waiters, public relations agents, and companions. Some were considered unofficial members of the first family,” the historical society writes on its page about valets.
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Actually research is showing that individuals infected by a virus can cough very fine mist not just large droplets. That is what drove the change in guidance to include wearing face mask.
In low humidity environments droplets can dry out but these desiccated viral particle are not dead. They are very light and float through the air. If you breath them in, they rehydrate in your moist throat and infect you.
Both these 2 infection routes are transmitted through the air.
Source: Seasonality of Respiratory Viral Infections
Yeah, I found the article a bit contradictory on that point. I'm not really sure if I should continue to disinfect surfaces, handles etc or not after reading this, as I haven't seen it corroborated elsewhere.
Travel From New York City Seeded Wave of U.S. Outbreaks
The coronavirus outbreak in New York City became the primary source of infections around the United States, researchers have found.
New York City’s coronavirus outbreak grew so large by early March that the city became the primary source of new infections in the United States, new research reveals, as thousands of infected people traveled from the city and seeded outbreaks around the country.
The research indicates that a wave of infections swept from New York City through much of the country before the city began setting social distancing limits to stop the growth. That helped to fuel outbreaks in Louisiana, Texas, Arizona and as far away as the West Coast.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/us/n ... break.html
And while that was happening:
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My cousin almost certainly had it apparently (she lives an hr away from me and we haven't seen them in months) and just now recovering agter weeks but she wasn't severe enough to warrant emergency. However they did not test her as she isn't a frontline medical worker, essential services worker, elderly or at risk.
They didnt tell us till recently, but apparently she has been ill and in quarantine most of this time.
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She had all the symptoms to look out for except she didn't require hospitalization for breathing.
It's funny because she rarely left home was always covered up properly even eyes and was studying online like every uni student. However some of her family who she lives with don't take precautions I believe. I cant imagine her brother actually took care till she got ill.
Hope they are now.
My dad has been with my mom in their hotel room .. Working from home since March
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Food they take with covered hands and discard containers but mainly cook at home.
Wash groceries with soap and water etc
Do much of the stuff that Jimmym recommended (I sent them his PDF write-up)
Thank goodness as he is in the high risk category.
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The coronavirus outbreak in New York City became the primary source of infections around the United States, researchers have found.
New York City’s coronavirus outbreak grew so large by early March that the city became the primary source of new infections in the United States, new research reveals, as thousands of infected people traveled from the city and seeded outbreaks around the country.
The research indicates that a wave of infections swept from New York City through much of the country before the city began setting social distancing limits to stop the growth. That helped to fuel outbreaks in Louisiana, Texas, Arizona and as far away as the West Coast.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/us/n ... break.html
And while that was happening:

We should have locked down New York. What I mean is, we should have allowed anyone who wanted to enter the state to be free to do so and we should have prevented anyone who was already in the state of New York from leaving it. There would have been great protests among New Yorkers but if this happens again in the future then I think it only prudent that those in New York will have to stay in New York similar to a Wuhan lock down.
Sorry, Korts and others who live there. One ray of hope I can offer you: Much of the U.S. is wide open in regard to real estate both rural and suburban at a fraction of the cost of what you have to pay to live in NYC. With work at home being something that should become more prevalent perhaps a move is in order for you at some point?
Maybe in the next year or two the rest of America will be hearing more neighbors with New York accents.
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Actually research is showing that individuals infected by a virus can cough very fine mist not just large droplets. That is what drove the change in guidance to include wearing face mask.
In low humidity environments droplets can dry out but these desiccated viral particle are not dead. They are very light and float through the air. If you breath them in, they rehydrate in your moist throat and infect you.
Both these 2 infection routes are transmitted through the air.
Source: Seasonality of Respiratory Viral Infections
Yeah, I found the article a bit contradictory on that point. I'm not really sure if I should continue to disinfect surfaces, handles etc or not after reading this, as I haven't seen it corroborated elsewhere.
Generally what the article is saying is that most of the transmittal of the infection in warm tropical environments [i.e. >60% RH] is by touch transmission. Whereas most of the infections in winter type environments is by dried aerosol viruses [humidity <40% RH]
This article also describes it. This Inexpensive Action Lowers Hospital Infections And Protects Against Flu Season
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Actually research is showing that individuals infected by a virus can cough very fine mist not just large droplets. That is what drove the change in guidance to include wearing face mask.
In low humidity environments droplets can dry out but these desiccated viral particle are not dead. They are very light and float through the air. If you breath them in, they rehydrate in your moist throat and infect you.
Both these 2 infection routes are transmitted through the air.
Source: Seasonality of Respiratory Viral Infections
Yeah, I found the article a bit contradictory on that point. I'm not really sure if I should continue to disinfect surfaces, handles etc or not after reading this, as I haven't seen it corroborated elsewhere.
Generally what the article is saying is that most of the transmittal of the infection in warm tropical environments [i.e. >60% RH] is by touch transmission. Whereas most of the infections in winter type environments is by dried aerosol viruses [humidity <40% RH]
This article also describes it. This Inexpensive Action Lowers Hospital Infections And Protects Against Flu Season
Thanks, I'm a bit slack with groceries but diligent with other things. It can turn I to a preoccupation, quaranteening the mail, the shopping, the mask and all the other stuff.
COVID-19 AND VITAMIN "D"
When your skin is exposed to sunlight, it makes vitamin D from cholesterol. The sun's ultraviolet B (UVB) rays hit cholesterol in the skin cells, providing the energy for vitamin D synthesis to occur. Vitamin D has many roles in the body and is essential for optimal health.
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I remember reading in an important paper called Seasonality of Respiratory Viral Infections that was published in the Annual Reviews of Virology, that one of the recommendations was "Vitamin D supplement to compensate for short daylight–induced Vitamin D deficiency"
Source: Seasonality of Respiratory Viral Infections
"Direct pathogen clearance by phagocytosis or production of reactive oxygen species (ROS) plays an important role as the nonspecific immune response. Seasonal oscillation of the daylight period modulates the physiological activity of mammalian species through dairy melatonin pulse. Exposure of Siberian hamsters to the short daylight period (8 h) decreased phagocytotic activities and ROS productions of granulocytes and monocytes compared to the long daylight period (16 h) exposure. In contrast, the short daylight period increased natural killer cell cytotoxicity. Vitamin D biosynthesis is also modulated by sunlight. During the winter season, vitamin D deficiency is common presumably because of insufficient sunlight. In vitro cultures of bone marrow–derived macrophages isolated from vitamin D–deficient mice impair macrophage maturation, production of surface antigen as well as lysosomal enzymes, and H2O2 production. Collectively, these data suggest short daylight as a contributing factor in the impairment of the innate immune responses in winter."
"Seasonal changes in the environmental factors can affect not only local defense mechanisms but also systemic physiological changes. Thermoneutral temperature housing potentiates anti-tumor immunity and GVHD onset in mice. In addition, a short daylight period and consequent deficiency of vitamin D impair nonspecific immune responses. In conclusion, the combination of low humidity, temperature, and sunlight may trigger an impairment of the local and systemic antiviral defense mechanisms, leading to the increased host susceptibility to the respiratory viruses in winter"
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There was an interesting article in the news today:
Researchers have discovered a strong correlation between vitamin D deficiency and mortality rates from the novel coronavirus, a new study reveals.
A research team led by Northwestern University analyzed data from hospitals and clinics across China, France, Germany, Italy, Iran, South Korea, Spain, Switzerland, the United Kingdom and the United States.
Patients from countries with high COVID-19 mortality rates, such as Italy, Spain and the United Kingdom, had lower levels of vitamin D compared to patients in countries that were not as severely affected, according to the study.
The researchers also found a strong correlation between vitamin D levels and cytokine storm, which is a hyperinflammatory condition caused by an overactive immune system.
"Cytokine storm can severely damage lungs and lead to acute respiratory distress syndrome and death in patients," Ali Daneshkhah, a postdoctoral research associate at Northwestern's McCormick School of Engineering, said in a statement. "This is what seems to kill a majority of COVID-19 patients, not the destruction of the lungs by the virus itself. It is the complications from the misdirected fire from the immune system."
Source: Vitamin D levels may impact COVID-19 mortality rates, study claims
So it seems like supplementing your diet with a little Vitamin D supplements during the winter to protect oneself from both the influenza virus and the coronavirus might not be a bad idea.
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In the northern hemisphere, the days are longer in winter than summer. The days start getting shorter on the first day of summer, and longer on 21 December.
I understand the temperature / humidity variables but I find winter is very sunny, for the most part.
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In Fairbanks, Alaska where my brother lives, on the shortest day of the year during the winter (December 21), they only have 3 hrs 41 mins when the sun is up.
On the longest day of the year in Fairbanks during the summer solstice, they have around 22 hours of daylight.
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