[IMPORTANT] Hamas launches foot assault against settlements.

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23 Oct 2023, 10:45 am

According to the U.N., from 2008 up until before the recent war:

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6,407 Palestinians and 308 Israelis had been killed in the ongoing conflict.

The large number of civilian casualties has required various types of interventions by humanitarian actors, with many incidents raising concerns over violation of international law and lack of accountability

https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties

I suppose one can’t be entirely certain of the exact number of fatalities if reports are made by individual governments, but it’s still concerning nonetheless.

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23 Oct 2023, 2:55 pm

The children on both sides have now been traumatized by war and hate and will be ripe for indoctrination and radicalization when they become teens.And the cycle will continue. :cry:

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23 Oct 2023, 3:01 pm

Yep, it’s extremely sad. I just don’t foresee a solution happening anytime soon. That ship has sailed a long time ago.

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23 Oct 2023, 3:10 pm

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The Hamas attacks were killing or kidnapping ever Israeli they could find, with no valid targets involved.

Yep.

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24 Oct 2023, 1:29 am

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From today:

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Latest media reports citing the Gaza Ministry of Health indicate that the number of people killed in Gaza since 7 October has risen to 5,087.

Women and children have made up more than 62 per cent of the fatalities, while more than 15,273 people have been injured.

In its latest humanitarian update on the Gaza-Israel crisis UN humanitarian aid coordination office, OCHA, said that more than 1,000 have been reported missing and “are presumed to be trapped or dead under the rubble”.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/10/1142687

Umm, why we are still counting women in specific? :p
Aren’t we all equal?

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24 Oct 2023, 2:58 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=deskt ... Uncensored

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24 Oct 2023, 3:34 am

Hamas have a clear expiry date....

But Israel have lost the propaganda war....gotta hand it to the Palestinians....

Strange the other hundred minority groups getting genocided must be wondering why they don't get the same global attention the Palestinians and Ukrainians get. Ideas?

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24 Oct 2023, 4:26 am

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By your logic we should ignore Israel too then. Why should Israel get billions of aid from the US each year...if X number of peoples around the world also need a homeland or whatever?

So HAMAS sadistically killed a few civiians. By your logic we should ignore it.

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24 Oct 2023, 4:38 am

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The global tears for Palestinians may be perceived as an insult to the Uighers, Rohingya, Tamils, Yemeni and South Sudanese (to name a few) who have been largely ignored as scores of their people were killed and the perpatrators of their genocide have been permitted to flourish.

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24 Oct 2023, 7:29 am

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The Yemeni are in a civil war of their own making, which Saudis and Iran have turned into a proxy war between each other.

I don't even know who the Uighers, Rohingya, and Tamils are. Which means close to 99% of Americans don't either.

What changes about the greater world depending on events in Sudan? Effectively nothing. Almost nobody knows where Sudan is nor has any reason to care about the people there.

Contrast to Ukraine. Besides Ukrainian immigrant descendents in America and the fact that they're white Europeans (let's be realistic about what motivates a lot of people), Putin and Russia are a larger threat. If they conquered Ukraine someone else would be the next target. Regardless of what anytime thinks of Ukraine from an idealistic perspective, there are serious realpolitik concerns.

Israel-Palestine is wrapped up in international issues of Judaism. And many Americans who aren't wrapped up in supporting or hating Israel for being Jewish, or Palestine for being Muslim, are sick of the expectation that Israel must be supported because they're Jewish just like they're sick of the expectation that the Saudis must always be supported because they have oil. Lots of Americans pivoted from casual antisemitism to blindly supporting Jews in Israel because of Holocaust guilt and/or endtimes evangelical nonsense.

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24 Oct 2023, 9:10 am

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Thanks for the update, I hadn't realised the IDF have been stopped from flourishing. :jester:

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24 Oct 2023, 9:13 am

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I don't even know who the Uighers, Rohingya, and Tamils are. Which means close to 99% of Americans don't either.

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24 Oct 2023, 9:19 am

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The global tears for Palestinians may be perceived as an insult to the Uighers, Rohingya, Tamils, Yemeni and South Sudanese

WTF

Any "global tears" right now are for humanity as a whole. For suffering civilians, for innocent people who are trapped in this Hell through no fault of their own, regardless of where the hell they're from. The tears are for mass casualties and people screaming for their children, their spouses, their parents, or even their own lives.

idgaf where anyone was born or what their nationality is.

I care that there is a humanitarian crisis, just like all the other times I've cried for peace.

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24 Oct 2023, 9:43 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

TwilightPrincess wrote:

From today:

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https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/10/1142687

Umm, why we are still counting women in specific? :p
Aren’t we all equal?

I was just quoting the UN. You could complain about it to them. :lol:

They were probably trying to highlight the fact that the fatalities are occurring to civilians, not that that isn’t already clear.

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24 Oct 2023, 10:01 am

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Aren’t we all equal?

Not when there is a war or your name is Francesco Schettino :mrgreen:

, it's a weird double standard but I kind of agree with the 'Birkenhead drill'. Maybe 'women & children' are less likely to be perceived as possible combatants so it's harder for a propaganda machine to claim otherwise? I dunno, i'm spitballing.

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24 Oct 2023, 10:09 am

IsabellaLinton wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

The global tears for Palestinians may be perceived as an insult to the Uighers, Rohingya, Tamils, Yemeni and South Sudanese

Well said!

I don't understand why people are making such distinctions unless it's because they are justifying their own absence of compassion and empathy.

The attacks on Israel by Hamas were devastating. The atrocities that are being committed in Palestine are devastating. Situations that are happening elsewhere in the world (now and in the past) are devastating.

We're all human beings (unless we're lizard people). The specific country we're from just doesn't matter.

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