Autistic teenager punched & kicked to death

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i'm well aware of the various "vocations" in the military, my point is the entire military system is fundamentally flawed,
please enlighten me as to how the military is serving humanity. &please don't tell me they're fighting for my freedom.

I never said it served humanity. The existence of armies shows that we are a problematic species. I basically just said that the military can be a good place for a f**k up to straighten himself out. And kids who walk around mugging people are f**k ups.

have you talked to these "f**k ups" or are you simply judging them?
as you should know, people commit violent acts for thousands of reasons, often not fully understanding the consequences, or even their own motives.
i seriously doubt the army of any nation caters to the introspection&discussion required to understand these things..
yes the army has "rules" so does prison & organised religion.. only the latter has truly affected the behaviour of the human race &generally for the worse, well-intentioned as they often are.

Not really a judgment. Basically just saying that they f****d up. Assuming they have the right suspects and taking the aftermath of their actions into the situation, it's pretty clear they f****d up big time.

Prison is punitive, it does very little to help anyone and their rules won't really teach you anything about being a contributing member of society and the only way they would be contributing anything is in a labor camp. Religion shouldn't be forced on anyone. So I say the military is the best solution out of the three, not that any judge would do that.

Yes, let's send them to foreign countries, so they can bash people to death with the ends of their rifles. While they are at it, they can rape and murder all the local 14 year old girls. Dumping our problems onto other countries should never be a solution, teaching possible miscreants how to use guns effectively should also never be a solution! I've watched under seige before, i don't want these three kids running around like that damn chef!

They taught me how to troubleshoot, repair and maintain aircraft wiring and instrumentation systems, shipboard firefighting and understanding leadership and management among other things. And I do manage to think for myself quite well you bigoted POS.

Apparently you get offended at people judging psychopathic conduct as wrong but you are quick to condemn those who serve honorably in the military by claiming they can't think for themselves. Hypocrite.

ouch.. still you could of learned that anywhere.
&honourably serve? lol what exactly does honour mean to you?

You'll find the definition of Honor here Hypocrite.

It doesn't say whether they did or not. It doesn't say what was exchanged between the boys, either. This is very sad. I'm tired of things like this happening. It's wrong and upsetting. I swear there must be drugs in the water.

No...because the United States would never do such a thing like dump their problems on other countries...we're so righteous. Instead, we'd rather dump our problems on the man standing below you on the totem pole. But you forgot one thing...people aren't problems themselves, but rather that they have problems. When last I looked, there are plenty of other professions the military has to offer other than an infantry soldier in a combat zone. However, being in a combat zone I'm sure would at least teach them a little something about how to be part of a unit or die.

Of course sending them to foreign countries while in the military wouldn't mean that they'd be under the watch of a superior or anything. No...my idea of sending them ANYWHERE (including here) in a branch of the service was with the intent in mind that they be put into a special unit, under the strict guidance of a commanding officer and several others. It's alot better than rotting in jail cell and it's certainly better than "re-educating" them. While serving, they can be put to use while still feeling like a part of society. Throwing them in a cell isn't the answer. All that does for murderers and the like is show them that no one truly cares enough to take the time and help them. I'm not saying people like that deserve help, because by all means, I don't believe they should be given the right time of day, but throwing them in a cell and forgetting about them is a sure way to ensure that IF they do get out on a reduced sentence or anything of the sort, they'll be sure to hate society afterward and most likely repeat the offense again.

These people, most of them, feel bad enough as it is I'm sure, so giving them an option such as the military would be ideal for them to rebuild their lives while teaching them how to be a useful part of society again. You can teach them trades, skills, and various other things useful. You can teach them respect for other people and consequences for their actions. You can teach them what it truly means to live a meaningful life. Is the military an absolute solution...no, but it's a start at least. It's better than clogging up prisons. If the military option doesn't work for them and they repeat the offense, then I dare challenge someone to come up with a better alternative than the military. If you think you do, then spill it...

You and I have every right to judge them for what they've done. Why do you believe that they are somehow redeemable?
Yeah, they commit violent acts for various reasons, and it seems that in this case the attack was unprovoked. What are you going to do, go to the bottom of their psyche and somehow take those negative thoughts out of them? Using science or therapy? Hah. We shouldn't give them that chance, they never gave that chance to the people they murdered.

Can't you sympathise with the victim for once? The victim has lost everything through no fault of their own. It is an injustice to the murdered and their family that their killer gets off with reeducation and a pitiful prison sentence.

You and I have every right to judge them for what they've done. Why do you believe that they are somehow redeemable?
Yeah, they commit violent acts for various reasons, and it seems that in this case the attack was unprovoked. What are you going to do, go to the bottom of their psyche and somehow take those negative thoughts out of them? Using science or therapy? Hah. We shouldn't give them that chance, they never gave that chance to the people they murdered.

Can't you sympathise with the victim for once? The victim has lost everything through no fault of their own. It is an injustice to the murdered and their family that their killer gets off with reeducation and a pitiful prison sentence.

You and I have every right to judge them for what they've done. Why do you believe that they are somehow redeemable?
Yeah, they commit violent acts for various reasons, and it seems that in this case the attack was unprovoked. What are you going to do, go to the bottom of their psyche and somehow take those negative thoughts out of them? Using science or therapy? Hah. We shouldn't give them that chance, they never gave that chance to the people they murdered.

Can't you sympathise with the victim for once? The victim has lost everything through no fault of their own. It is an injustice to the murdered and their family that their killer gets off with reeducation and a pitiful prison sentence.



Comparing executions to murders is like comparing incarcerating people to kidnapping or charging taxes and fines to extortion. There is a difference between violent crime and punishment. Is there a contradiction in a policeman speeding after a speeder to enforce speeding laws? One displays a serious lack of moral judgment to believe that just because two practices share a physical similarity means that they are morally identical. Law enforcement officials act well within the law when they punish criminals whether it be by charging fines, incarcerating them, or conducting executions, thereby, defending public safety.

One big mistake is to say that ALL killing is murder, or wrongful.

"When I think of all the sweet, innocent people who suffer extreme pain and who die every day in this country, then the outpouring of sympathy for cold-blooded killers enrages me. Where is your (expletive deleted) sympathy for the good, the kind and the innocent? This fixation on murderers is a sickness, a putrefaction of the soul. It's the equivalent of someone spending all day mooning and cooing over a handful of human feces. Sick and abnormal."

"When I think of all the sweet, innocent people who suffer extreme pain and who die every day in this country, then the outpouring of sympathy for cold-blooded killers enrages me. Where is your (expletive deleted) sympathy for the good, the kind and the innocent? This fixation on murderers is a sickness, a putrefaction of the soul. It's the equivalent of someone spending all day mooning and cooing over a handful of human feces. Sick and abnormal."

"When I think of all the sweet, innocent people who suffer extreme pain and who die every day in this country, then the outpouring of sympathy for cold-blooded killers enrages me. Where is your (expletive deleted) sympathy for the good, the kind and the innocent? This fixation on murderers is a sickness, a putrefaction of the soul. It's the equivalent of someone spending all day mooning and cooing over a handful of human feces. Sick and abnormal."