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23 Nov 2006, 7:04 pm

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This litigation culture is causing far too much damage.

I am suing you for not using an exclamation point at the end of that sentence.


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23 Nov 2006, 7:38 pm

Remnant wrote:
This litigation culture is causing far too much damage.

Lots will agree with you, but

http://www.epi.org/content.cfm/bp174
The legal system for adjudicating tort claims in the United States delivers important benefits to the American people. Most notably, these benefits include the compensation of injured persons (including people harmed by giant corporations and other powerful interests), the deterrence of wrongdoing, greater investments in product innovation and safety, and the civilized, non-violent settlement of disputes. These benefits are rarely quantified, and critics generally focus exclusively on the system's costs, whose magnitude and impact they tend to exaggerate

States with "no-fault" insurance systems have higher accident and injury levels than States with some personal liability. It can be shown that litigatgion results in lower accidents, less injuries, less human suffering.

Counter intuitively, litigation is actually a good thing.

Unfortunatley this does not take away Alex's stress and costs from a frivolous/malicious case.

ASSUMING the US system is pretty much the same as ours, if he can convince a court that the claims made against WP have been done malitiously, (i.e. libelous comments made with malice) he may have a case to counter sue IMO. But of course this is not without cost.

If Alex needs to pass the hat around, I will contribute.


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23 Nov 2006, 7:41 pm

I'd probably put in all of my PS3 savings to save WP. See? I have got my priorities straight!


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23 Nov 2006, 9:34 pm

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I'd probably put in all of my PS3 savings to save WP. See? I have got my priorities straight!


Thats the good news you forgot to mention the bad : you only got $5.32 in an old mayo jar :D

Unless somebody (aspie lawyer) takes Alex case pro-bono I do not see how he will
avoid paying some cash out of is food budget on this.

I say we support Alex with an ebay auction of our un-needed geek technology.
I got a HP48gx calculator in mint condition I pledge right now. Not sure what its worth
today but its the first thing I know I got that I want to give away.



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23 Nov 2006, 10:03 pm

looks like my HP12C has not kept its value too well - about $40 now - your 48 is worth lots more. Alex can have that, plus I have a couple of old laptops I never use. I'll see what else I have.


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23 Nov 2006, 10:17 pm

I entered a few contest to try to win a playstation 3 and if i do win one (which ain't likely going to happen) i'll sell it for about 3-6k on ebay,use 1000 of it to build a new PC and use the remaining 2000-5000 to help WP.


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23 Nov 2006, 10:26 pm

I am just floored when I read this. I feel badly for what alex must be going through.
It seems there is always someone wanting to mess up a good thing.
If this site needs money, I would gladly send some this way, too. I hope that alex is reading all the support he has here for this site and know that a lot of us will step to the plate financially to help.



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23 Nov 2006, 10:52 pm

I will put down some money.



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24 Nov 2006, 5:59 pm

I can't believe it!

Keep the positive sense going, everyone!


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24 Nov 2006, 6:01 pm

BazzaMcKenzie wrote:
States with "no-fault" insurance systems have higher accident and injury levels than States with some personal liability. It can be shown that litigatgion results in lower accidents, less injuries, less human suffering.


I think your analysis is too narrow. Firstly, we don't know whether there are less accidents in these States simply because the people are all sitting on their hands because they're too scared to do anything. Does 100 fewer deaths a year compensate for the misery and unfulfilled potential of 100,000 people left scared, frustrated and unwilling to ever take a chance?

Secondly, what is the point of preserving oneself just to get old? I don't want to outstay my welcome on this planet. What is the point of dragging out one's death over 20 years - joints seizing up, teeth falling out, incontinent, memory failing, eyesight failing.... I'd rather live my life to the full and die content at sixty, thanks very much. By smothering people we are keeping them alive just so they can live totally boring lives and then go on to suffer more in old age. That's not a decrease in suffering in real terms.

Thirdly, any activity which primarily benefits lawyers automatically takes wealth and happiness away from everybody else, either directly through fees or indirectly through taxes and insurance premiums. In overall terms I am sure more people suffer as a result of this.

Fourthly, whilst I agree with the basics of Health and Safety Law, I believe that the "experts" who write this stuff are having to find more and more bizarre things to legislate against simply because the basics are already covered. The useful work happened 20 years ago and the current legislation is more to do with justifying their jobs than saving lives. We have reached the break-even point between common sense, convenience and safety.

Lastly, evolution. We are allowing the idiots to breed. Once upon a time, the stupid were expected to deal with the consequences of their own actions. Idiocy often led to death or injury, which either removed the subject from the gene pool or taught him or her a valuable lesson and thus advanced the development of the species. Alas, no longer. In the long run our continual support of stupidity could have very serious consequences for everyone, e.g. through environmental damage ("It's not my fault, no-one tole me the ice caps were melting.").


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24 Nov 2006, 6:02 pm

I'm having an extremely serious problem processing this!


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24 Nov 2006, 6:13 pm

As an example:

I work as a volunteer in a museum run on a not-for-profit basis. Any money we make is ploughed back into the collection.

Last year, a visitor who wasn't looking where they were going, fell over in our yard. They decided to sue. Although the case hasn't been heard yet, we have been forced to ban all visitors from the yard (the 'trip hazard' is not in a designated walkway and furthermore cannot be moved). Thus, the selfish pride of one idiot is now preventing thousands of visitors a year from seeing some of our exhibits. In mathematical terms the resulting decrease in pleasure for the majority far outweighs the happiness of one person in taking us to court. Not only stupid, but selfish also.


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24 Nov 2006, 6:16 pm

I believe it. I don't mean to sound critical, but I'll be darned if anything happens to this site.

So, Alex, being the great man that you are...

Take charge!


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24 Nov 2006, 6:22 pm

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I remember the post the perosn made.


Link?



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24 Nov 2006, 6:27 pm

I hate litigation culture.

And I'm deeply offended that someone is "having a go" at WP just because they can't handle the truth and need someone to blame.

I'll be over here sharpening the axe!

Oooh, I hope no-one who is terminally f*****g stupid reads that and gets the wrong idea!


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24 Nov 2006, 6:47 pm

why can't this case be taken as a charity case? pro-bono, if you will. the people most interested in donating to the autism community should come forth and make another contribution for this site.

all that aside.
if this case goes horribly wrong and alex ends up losing (for unjust reasons, imo)
wouldn't it be possible to transfer our community to a new website?

if WP is shut down, that is.

i suppose that IS the worst that could happen.
i don't see why alex has to take all the heat for this crap.

pro-bono. all the way.
if people really care about this community, someone will step forth.

as much as it is pleasant and decent of everyone on this board who is willing to donate some financial contributions, the impact that it would make would be little to none.

$46 dollars here or there will not be enough to cover the costs of this ordeal.
i'm thinking that this could run into the millions (legally speaking) who knows.

everyday law suits usually are close to costing over $100,000 dollars when all is said and done. this will be much more expensive then a typical lawsuit.
especially because it generated national/global attention.