4 year old Autistic boy murdered by ignorant parents

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As far as I know that is how things work and you can do that. If not you should be able to as any other home has to be better than an abusive one where the parents do not want them.

I understand that.

Your point in making this statement is lost in me.

Do you realise how many parents would be willing to absolve themselves from their responsibility if this was the case. The welfare system would be completely over run. It would be much better if they did not have children in the first place.

In the case of the little boy here, if the mother had said to the authorities that she wanted to torture and kill her son then she would have not been allowed to keep the other child who, for whatever reason, was acceptable to her and her partner.

As far as I'm aware you are allowed to do that though and there was a case in my state of a missing boy (presumably murdered) that was adopted and his adoptive parents were going through the process of unadopting him. It is possible to give up your own kids too.

Why would she have had to say she was giving him up for that reason? She could have given other reasons. Did they actually keep the other child? If they did that's messed up. Any other ones they have should be taken away for their own protection and they shouldn't be allowed to have any more.

Would, should...and would the princess yet live, then she should marry the prince. Sorry, I talk about here and now, and there is and there shall. So if the child IS existing, which cant be changed by any Cpt. Hindsight "shouddis", then I think the parents SHALL rather give it free for adoption then torture it until death, because I think a tortured child should be more important, then the welfare of the welfare system. Thats what the welfare system exists. To take care of kids, whose parents dont take care of them, whyever: Because of them being dead, because of them financially not able, because of them deciding not to be mature enough for that responsibility, or because of them completely brainless wackos that are starving their child to death.

That the child was better not born, will not help an existing child. Giving it to adoption instead of letting it starve, helps an existing child. Thats what you can do in my country. So you simply can call the officials, and say that whyever, you are right in the moment not able to handle it. You can do that forever, or as well for a certain time, because of you being single mom without family that needs to be in hospital for some months, or because you are mental ill and need to go into closed therapy for some time, even because you try to get rid of drugs but cant propper care for the kids while you are simply on "cold turkey". All of that is possible, and no, there are not lots of parents giving away their children freely. There are some, happy to found someone giving them a "caring family" for a certain time, but there are no hords of parents giving away their children.

But still such things happens, we had a similar thing happening some years ago, with parents who even build a cage out of the kids room, with lots of efforts. So my question keeps the same: Why do these kind of people, if they hate their children anyway that much and even have the possibility to get officially rid of them, rather stay with them and torture them to death? I simply dont get it. Is it an sadistic issue inside of that people, or do they think, their children "deserved" to get punished by them and try to denie before themselves that they are simply horrible parents? I simply dont understand it.

In the UK social services would attempt to either offer support services or try to arrange that the child be cared for by someone else in the extended family before considering adoption. The mother could have chosen to ask for help but obviously did not.

She has another child who was forced to lie about the abuse to the police and social services when concerns where raised. Apart from this the other child seems to have been reasonably well cared for.

The mother and her partner have both been given life sentences, minimum 30 year terms.

Who the other child is living with now has not been revealed to preserve confidentiality.

There can be a lot of social stigma if you are a parent that willingly gave your child up but I don't know why they would care about that compared to the social stigma of being a parent that killed their own child. Maybe they thought that they wouldn't get caught and people would think the death was from natural causes or some kind of accident.

When I gave a baby up most people were supportive and thought I did the right thing but there were some that thought I was awful for giving my own kid away.

I think the answer is yes, neither of them showed any remorse for what they did.

No I don't understand it either.

It is important to consider the difference between neglect, which you have given examples of, and abuse which this is.

My opinion on this is that there is a massive failure of the system supposed to catch this kind of abuse. The poor boy had his arm broken, an inquiry was opened and then closed. He then started school and his condition visibly deteriorated, due to starvation and poisoning, over a period on 6 months, during this time he was also seen to have physical injuries. Still no one at the school contacted social services.

Last edited by neilson_wheels on 05 Aug 2013, 8:53 am, edited 1 time in total.

It reminds me of the book "A Child Called It" except this poor kid never got any help and he died.

Sure. I can't even try to imagine what goes through the minds of people like this.



I'm sure that was not an easy decision to make. If that was the best choice in your situation then I really do hope that you still feel you made the best decision.

I'd like to know the parents' side of the story before making any judgment calls.

? What could they possibly say that would make a difference?
They starved him and beat him. What excuse or extenuating circumstances could there be?

Are you serious?!
You think they'd be able to say anything likely to have people responding with "Ahh, well clearly that's Ok and we understand now why you force-fed him salt, broke his bones, starved him, beat him repeatedly and held him underwater until he almost drowned. Please, carry on. Obviously you're both model parents."
You think maybe the legal process missed something here amongst all the evidence gathered since his death?

He was four years old. He was imprisoned in a urine-soaked box-room and died alone in the dark from a head injury in March 2012.
The parents already gave their side of the story and fortunately a judgement call more thorough than yours has been made.

Read and learn:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-co ... e-23224826
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013 ... pair-judge
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013 ... ailed-life

Without heating or even a quilt on the bed, including over the winter.

The thing with monsters (and these parents are monsters) is that you can't let them turn you into one. I think that's what Dox is saying.
If you let criminals set the bar for behaviour then they win.

Barbaric
There should be a law for people like that, mandatorily placing them in general population