Parent of shooting spree victim pleads to NRA

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An irrelevant fact. The train has already left the station and guns have already been invented. There is no turning back.

what do you say to the despairing parents of the victims?

I'm not the one who did the killing.
That aside, there's really nothing to tell them besides the standard condolences.

since you believe I would send bullets flying all over the place, would you confiscate my guns? I believe you would.

"You accuse me of being trollish yet you post drivel like this which is by its very nature trolling. You know nothing about the NRA or any other gun rights advocacy group. You know nothing about violent crime and how it?s best countered. You take pride in parroting whatever the anti-gun media has to say, who also no nothing. The more you talk about this subject the more damage you do to your credibility. Yep, keep doing it."

How do you know what I know about the NRA. I follow the NRA website. I see their press conferences. I follow their FB page. I pay attention to evil. I have been victim to violent crime. You are not even in a position to talk about credibility, as I have said before. You admire people who lie and distort to get their way and you have said yourself that you would have to employ their methodology. You have no credibility, or integrity.

How do I know I live in a nonviolent community? Because I researched this community for years before I moved here. There has not been an act of reported violence in this community other than the occasional bar fight in over twenty years. Definitely no murders or shootings. I picked this community for e reason, and I have a dozen other communities just like this one pinpointed in case I feel the need to move. I moved here from a community of almost 400,000 just three years ago and even in that community when their homicide count was up to 30 by this time of year I would go out running in the "hood" at 2am without a thought in the world. I have owned a jewelry store in the hood of that town and routinely encountered thug gangsters with guns, in packs. At that time I would close my store carrying a 9mm and a pump 12 gauge shotgun. I have had people robbed at gun point within 100 meters of me and I have seen people shot in the head within 100 yards of me. I have been shot at and had guns jammed in my face and never flinched. Always by cowards. You know nothing of my life experience or how it has affected me.

Nope, that's your personal responsibility and no one can prove that you would until you did it. It would be unfair of me.

I'm not entirely convinced that the guy couldn't have racked up a higher body count by simply plowing the Beamer into pedestrians on the sidewalk, GTA style; 4000lbs of steel at 40+mph has a lot more energy than 115 grains of lead at 1250 fps, and it's harder to miss. Guy in Japan did just that a few years back, slammed his car into a crowd and knifed the survivors, was pretty effective IIRC. In China they prefer to firebomb buses with Molotov cocktails; now there's some horrific carnage.

Blaming the NRA for someone shooting somebody, is like blaming Ford for someone running over people with a truck.

People that tend to ague Stand Your Ground are arguing from the point that they were fearful of great bodily harm, or death. So it's elimination would make no difference since people under those circumstances will pull the trigger regardless... you can punish them, but I'm sure people who would have otherwise used this defense are still grateful to be alive, otherwise its just a very small price to pay. So it's elimination does absolutely nothing because people will ALWAYS defend themselves if they believe their lives are in danger.

Greatly exaggerated? Crime is a part of everyday life, and criminals employ the logic that the animals use when identifying easy prey, you go for the young and defenseless, or the old and infirm. They don't contend with bulls because of the likelihood of death. By stripping everyone of their guns you subject these groups of people to the abuse of well-bodied males, do you really want to do that?

And having a gun waved in your face is a small price to pay for ensuring that some random Jane Doe living in an isolated community has the means of defending herself and her family while her husband works. There ARE roving predators looking for scenarios such as this because a woman simply doesn't have enough strength to defend herself, and in isolation there is no time for the authorities to respond even if she got a call out.

The only one defending your family in the above scenario is the person at home with the gun, it's not the police or your neighbors. Even if the criminal has a gun he's not going to risk getting gored by 'the horns' so to speak just for one meal. In some nature documentaries you can find videos of GAZELLES goring unfortunate cheetahs to death, that's why those animals tend to gravitate to the weak and not the bulls who can defend themselves, it's simply not worth the risk, hence why guns are great equalizers, the weak is no longer subject to the strong because of them.

The scary part is that there are rapists, predators, and murderers who all agree with this. Less armed people means easy pickings for them.

If you guys want to subject your families and love ones to that sort of abuse... be my guess. Me? I'm going to blow away any thug foolish enough to set foot in my families home thinking he's found an opportunity.

who is willing to be part of the solution instead of part of the problem? the status quo sucks big wind.

If you knew anything about the NRA you'd know that all this drivel you post about it as if it were a terrorist cell is hyperbole. The NRA is not without its faults but they have done more to actually prevent gun related deaths/injuries than any anti-gun organisation like T he Brady Center. You prevent gun related death/injury by learning to live in a world that has guns in it, not pretend that they can be magically removed or avoided.

Yeh, someone really oughtta spank me.


Funny; everyone that I know who has had experiences anything like that are the opposite. They know that having a gun handy may actually be used save them if they do their part.
You seem to believe it's futile and would just as soon be a victim and die in a ditch without even trying. I don't keep a fire extinguisher in my kitchen because it'll protect me from a fire. Like a gun, I keep it because I can use it to fight a fire if I do my part. It does not guarantee the outcome of anything but it gives me a tool to use.
Btw, it should be obvious to you by now that you can't shut me up if I have something to say.

What solution? What is your answer? If you don't have one then why even say something like that?

I DO have an answer - if the REPUBLICANS [and some stupid dems, unfortunately] had not have systematically gutted mental health funding, IOW if the national network of mental health centers that kennedy envisioned was allowed to be funded the way it needed to be funded, I would bet my bottom dollar that none of this would have happened. if you are opposed to making the rich/corporations pay their fair share of taxes to fund necessary things like a coherent national mental health policy and infrastructure, then you MUST BE ok with what we have now. part of the answer is to STOP VOTING GOP!! !

Your answer is a pipe dream at best. Even with national mental healthcare that would not nearly fix everything. People have to seek treatment and be willing to accept it. They can't be sniffed out by hounds and simply fixed. And I don't vote republican because I love the f*****s, I usually vote for them because they are usually the lesser evil of the two.

if we had national mental health established, he would have been screened and a judge would have forced the issue as he would have been adjudged to be a danger to himself and others. I am afraid we need a certain amount of big brother to keep little brother from kicking little sister.