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08 Aug 2014, 12:21 pm

It may have been a kind gesture on the CDC's part to bring those patients back to the US, from their perspective, but given the way they handled their anthrax samples a while ago, I am seriously worried that they may unintentionally spread the Ebola epidemic to North America. Combined with the incident on that international flight, I am genuinely worried.



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08 Aug 2014, 12:31 pm

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It may have been a kind gesture on the CDC's part to bring those patients back to the US, from their perspective, but given the way they handled their anthrax samples a while ago, I am seriously worried that they may unintentionally spread the Ebola epidemic to North America. Combined with the incident on that international flight, I am genuinely worried.


Are you aware of how many communities, just in the United States alone are sitting on buried disposal sites of chemical weaponry, developed by the US military, before the use of chemical agents became taboo? And nerve gas, mustard gas and other chemical agents will kill, maim, or worse, forever, as far as is known. Burying this crap just hides it. A drop of nerve gas from the tip of a sewing needle (quantity), would kill a person in less than a minute. And it wouldn't be pretty to see.



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08 Aug 2014, 1:23 pm

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mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
It may have been a kind gesture on the CDC's part to bring those patients back to the US, from their perspective, but given the way they handled their anthrax samples a while ago, I am seriously worried that they may unintentionally spread the Ebola epidemic to North America. Combined with the incident on that international flight, I am genuinely worried.


Are you aware of how many communities, just in the United States alone are sitting on buried disposal sites of chemical weaponry, developed by the US military, before the use of chemical agents became taboo? And nerve gas, mustard gas and other chemical agents will kill, maim, or worse, forever, as far as is known. Burying this crap just hides it. A drop of nerve gas from the tip of a sewing needle (quantity), would kill a person in less than a minute. And it wouldn't be pretty to see.


I always thought that stuff was on Military sites, guarded, and behind barbed wire fences.


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08 Aug 2014, 1:33 pm

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It may have been a kind gesture on the CDC's part to bring those patients back to the US, from their perspective, but given the way they handled their anthrax samples a while ago, I am seriously worried that they may unintentionally spread the Ebola epidemic to North America. Combined with the incident on that international flight, I am genuinely worried.


Are you aware of how many communities, just in the United States alone are sitting on buried disposal sites of chemical weaponry, developed by the US military, before the use of chemical agents became taboo? And nerve gas, mustard gas and other chemical agents will kill, maim, or worse, forever, as far as is known. Burying this crap just hides it. A drop of nerve gas from the tip of a sewing needle (quantity), would kill a person in less than a minute. And it wouldn't be pretty to see.


I always thought that stuff was on Military sites, guarded, and behind barbed wire fences.


Not. I know there are deposits of chemical agents buried under the area where I live. It has been covered in local news, and I was an instructor for Nuclear, Biological, Chemical training when I was in the Army. If there were warehouses of nerve agent behind some barbed wire fence around me, I would move as far away as I could possibly get.



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08 Aug 2014, 1:41 pm

This place in my state had some really nasty stuff stored there.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Bluff_Arsenal


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08 Aug 2014, 1:49 pm

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The pharmaceutical companies get more money off boner pills and medicine to treat the overfed than to develop drugs to help poor people who have no funds to purchase the drugs.
That's where the money is, apparently. Personally, if the day comes when I can no longer get it up I'll keep it to myself. I'll make sure I won't be needing any fat pills, either.

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It may have been a kind gesture on the CDC's part to bring those patients back to the US, from their perspective, but given the way they handled their anthrax samples a while ago, I am seriously worried that they may unintentionally spread the Ebola epidemic to North America. Combined with the incident on that international flight, I am genuinely worried.

Exactly; the CDC is federal. Typically, for every actual competent federal employee there are about 2 to 4 idiots to cancel out andy good the one competent one produces. I still stand by the practice of keeping anything like ebola off of the continent when practicable.

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mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
It may have been a kind gesture on the CDC's part to bring those patients back to the US, from their perspective, but given the way they handled their anthrax samples a while ago, I am seriously worried that they may unintentionally spread the Ebola epidemic to North America. Combined with the incident on that international flight, I am genuinely worried.


Are you aware of how many communities, just in the United States alone are sitting on buried disposal sites of chemical weaponry, developed by the US military, before the use of chemical agents became taboo? And nerve gas, mustard gas and other chemical agents will kill, maim, or worse, forever, as far as is known. Burying this crap just hides it. A drop of nerve gas from the tip of a sewing needle (quantity), would kill a person in less than a minute. And it wouldn't be pretty to see.


I always thought that stuff was on Military sites, guarded, and behind barbed wire fences.


I imagine most or all if it is. Also, nerve gas is not contagious and is incapable of being spread person to person like a virus. Even in the wind it would spread but also dissipate. Nerve gas has to have favorable environmental conditions present in order to be effective.


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08 Aug 2014, 2:22 pm

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The patients can be sufficiently isolated so they will not spread the disease to others.

If they are here, it is much easier to bring to bear equipment and lab facilities to manage their treatment. Also a prevention or cure might be found if the right facilities are at hand.

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I agree. And besides, we're talking about fellow Americans, who through no fault of their own are facing life threatening jeopardy. How can we not help our own in America?

We can and should, of course, help our fellow Americans anywhere in the world but it they do not necessarily have to be actually be brought to America to receive that help. Just do it someplace over there. If I were an ebola infected American abroad I'd rather remain in place in a containment effort and receive whatever help there increase the risk of infecting my country.


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I don't know of another single country in the world that would allow foreigners with Ebola in their borders to be treated,
If they're already there and got infected there.......

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and the African countries where the disease is rampant are hardly known for their medical science. And sure, we could transfer all the necessary medical equipment to Africa, but that would probably take way too much time than it would to just bring the patients to this country
I'm not sure how much it would take in terms of medical equipment and personnel but it could certainly be done in a timely manner.

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taking the risk that said patients might die while waiting.
Oh well; in a case like this we have to think of the greater good. I think most people with any genuine sense of compassion would prefer to bite the bullet and take one for the team by dying abroad than risk spreading the virus to their country. We're not talking about the common cold here.....


An infected doctor or aid worker might be willing to "bite the bullet," but I'm pretty sure their families and loved ones don't want to see them die.


Decades ago, the military used to dispose of chemical agents by burial, or dumping at sea. More recently, they have begun trying to destroy it by various means that I don't trust. We were told of cases of people in Germany being harmed by exposure to Mustard gas decades after the wars had ended. I don't care how people believe a random container of nerve agent might be distributed, by accident or any other method, I wouldn't want to be within 1000 miles of it.



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08 Aug 2014, 9:11 pm

I just heard on the news not too long ago that a doctor in Ontario, who had recently returned from Africa, has recently checked himself in for treatment after experiencing Ebola like symptoms. This scares the living hell out of me. I sure as hell hope we have better quarantine measures than they do in the US.



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09 Aug 2014, 7:40 am

mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
I just heard on the news not too long ago that a doctor in Ontario, who had recently returned from Africa, has recently checked himself in for treatment after experiencing Ebola like symptoms. This scares the living hell out of me. I sure as hell hope we have better quarantine measures than they do in the US.


Ah, then here's something for your viewing pleasure. :D Not that I believe it will come to this but it's something to ponder.....
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sYSyuuLk5g[/youtube]


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09 Aug 2014, 6:11 pm

I don't think that's the best thing to link to someone who gets worked up about that kind of stuff. I get scared enough as it is reading medical articles on Wikipedia. 8O They fascinate me, but sometimes they just plain give me the heebie jeebies as well.

I'm kind of a chicken when it comes to horror stuff though. The supernatural/religious FUD variety doesn't phase me, but jumpscares and medical horror certainly do.



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09 Aug 2014, 7:59 pm

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I don't think that's the best thing to link to someone who gets worked up about that kind of stuff. I get scared enough as it is reading medical articles on Wikipedia. 8O They fascinate me, but sometimes they just plain give me the heebie jeebies as well.

You could pretty much determine the content of the video from just that one picture. If you watched anyway it then it was out of morbid curiosity.

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I'm kind of a chicken when it comes to horror stuff though. The supernatural/religious FUD variety doesn't phase me, but jumpscares and medical horror certainly do.

You'll live.


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10 Aug 2014, 2:44 am

Don't sweat it. :P I'm not offended or anything, just if you linked it to someone else who was a bit thinner-skinned than me, well they may not have taken it well. Like I said, this kind of stuff fascinates me, though it also gets me a bit worked up. Infectious diseases are a pretty normal thing to be afraid of though, or so I'd think.



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10 Aug 2014, 2:48 am

The chance of you accidentally stabbing yourself to death with a toothbrush is probably higher than dying from ebola.



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11 Aug 2014, 10:36 am

mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
It may have been a kind gesture on the CDC's part to bring those patients back to the US, from their perspective, but given the way they handled their anthrax samples a while ago, I am seriously worried that they may unintentionally spread the Ebola epidemic to North America. Combined with the incident on that international flight, I am genuinely worried.


Just to clarify, there is no way that an ebola epidemic would sweep through North America. Ebola is not all that easy to catch. It would require environmentl conditions to those needed to spread cholera. The reason ebola scares the h*ll out of everyone is because it is so often fatal (which actually limits the possibility of its spread further).

This is currently media sensationalism more than anything else. You are much more likely to die from food poisoning than from ebola, even if you flew to Nigeria and frenched the first 10 random strangers you meet.

The total number infected in all recorded history is less than 0.0003% of the current population of the US.


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11 Aug 2014, 10:53 am

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The chance of you accidentally stabbing yourself to death with a toothbrush is probably higher than dying from ebola.


Oh GREAT ! !! Now I'm worrying about that ! !!


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