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It's one thing to fight for a misguided cause, but seriously?!?!? Are ISIS TRYING to be evil or something?!?! Their actions sicken me, and I wish someone would put a stop to them. I believe Canada has a good reason to be fighting ISIS, as the attack that took place on Parliament Hill a few months back was perpetrated by a radical jihadist who expressed sympathies for groups like ISIS.

I sometimes got those thoughts but I didn't believe them, I don't think people can be 'brainwashed' because everyone has a brain and using it they can choose what to believe and how to think, I don't think you should call people those things just because their way of thinking and beliefs doesn't come in agreement to yours

Religion has nothing to do with it like you imagine because so many people from countries you just mentioned aren't very educated about religion

I think thats something about laws or something about which law you should choose and not islamic

I read and memorize quran and in arabic, thats your view and if you think beliefs are delusional then so are all thoughts because if you look at it even thoughts are based on way of thinking, everyone has their own logic and reality from their way of thinking

The historical stuff isn't something to relay on because historical information were never accurate but coming to scientific stuff and all, people say they found and error in about the ayah of sunset in murky waters and embryo forming, coming to the sunset first;
83 They ask thee concerning Zul-qarnain. Say "I will rehearse to you something of his story."
84 Verily We established his power on earth, and We gave him the ways and the means to all ends.
85 One (such) way he followed,
Until when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-Qarnain! (thou hast authority) either to punish them or to treat them with kindness."
^In that Aayah of Surah Kahf, its only given the portrayal or vision as witnessed by Zul-Qarnain when he reached the end of the distance he was traveling, beyond which he witnessed nothing but water (probably a huge sea or an ocean). Please note the words of the Quran, where it clearly mentions that ‘he’ (Zul-Qarnain) found it setting in a spring of murky water, this portrayal would be similar to one of us standing today on a beach and watching the sun set in the ocean, we all know today that the sun does not actually set in the ocean, but it moves in its own orbit, it just seems so to the naked eye, its said 'he found it' not 'it is'
“We created man from an extract of clay. Then We made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, blood clot), then We made the alaqah into a mudghah (chewed, lump).”(Qur’an, 23:12-14)

In comparing a leech to the embryo at the transitory stage (alaqah) we find similarity between the two. Also, the embryo at this stage obtains nourishment from the blood of the mother, similar to the leech that feeds on the blood of others. The second meaning of the word alaqah is “suspended thing.” Suspension of an Embryo during the early stages in the womb of the mother. (About 15 days old). The actual size of the embryo is about 0.6 mm. When comparing the appearance of an embryo at the mugdah stage with a piece of gum that has been chewed, we find similarity between the two. We find that the external appearance of the embryo and its sacs during the transitory stage (alaqah) is similar to that of a blood clot. This is due to the presence of relatively large amounts of blood present in the embryo during this stage. The blood in the embryo does not circulate until the end of the third week. Thus the embryo is like a clot of blood at this stage

The embryo at the mudghah stage acquires the appearance of a chewed-like substance because of the somites at the back of the embryo that “somewhat resemble teeth marks in a chewed substance.”

40 days in the womb:
As we know, chromosomes contain all the characteristics which the new human being will have such as the color of the eyes, skin, hair, etc. Hence, many of the details in the human being’s make-up are determined in his chromosomes. Chromosomes begin to form during the early nutfah stage of embryonic development. In other words, the distinguishing features of the new human being are determined from the very beginning at the nutfah stage. During the first 40 days of gestation, all the body parts and organs are completely, though consecutively formed.

Prophet muhammad, has informed us in a hadith that: “In every one of you, all components of your creation are gathered together in your mothers’ womb by 40 days”. (Narrated in Saheeh Muslim and Al-Bukhaari).

In another hadith, prophet muhammad said: “When forty-two nights have passed over the drop (nutfah), Allah sends an angel to it, who shapes it and makes its ears, eyes, skin, flesh and bones. Then he says, “O Lord, is it male or female?” and your Lord decides what he wishes.” (Narrated in Saheeh Muslim).

The first 40 days constitute a clearly distinguishable stage of embryogenesis. The absolute precision and accuracy of those hadiths particularly impress us. So the two hadiths that have been noted can provide us with a specific timetable for the main embryological development before 40 days. These hadiths could not have been obtained on the basis of the scientific knowledge that was available at the time of their recording. It follows, that not only is there no conflict between genetics and religion, but in fact religion can guide science by adding revelation to some traditional scientific approaches
I think thinking about stuff too much and overthinking them and questioning is bad as well for so many reasons

Wouldn't have been smarter for Allah to create the Quran in a more understandable Arabic? Or more fluently translatable? He's supposed to be a being capable of everything, why he didn't create a book that can self-translate for example?

Btw, we see it hard because it's in Qurayshi dialect, the Arabic dialects, as you already probably aware of, are not really a one language, dialects formed from mix between Arabic and remnant Semitic languages like Syriac, Aramaic and Berber. It would have been smarter if it was simply written in the Classical Arabic which has been the common written system for all Arabs for centuries.

I'll briefly respond the the claims of "Quranic science"

This is a common myth among many cultures who refer to themselves as "son's of the soil". The earth is our mother and thus man was born from the earth. Islam merely incorporated these elements of cultural belief into a Quranic creation myth


The same descriptive information of a fetal lump or leech identified in this Surah was already known, and it was known centuries before the Quran, it is mentioned numerous times by many famous ancient scientist such as Hippocrates, Aristotle, and Galen. , copying inaccurate scientific information. In addition the figure of 40 days is borrowed based on an erroneous idea the Arabs borrowed from the Greeks about female sperm forming a clot over 40 days. Most of the descriptions given by those scientists were proven wrong by modern science, so Mohammed's followers have basically plagerized the work of others





Gender is simply determined by the male sperm carrying a Y chromosome...the lord does not decide this

I didn't mean the local accents when I said normal arabic I meant the classical one which is derived from quraysh's dialect but it got 'easier' over the time

Quran was created in quraysh's language, even more fluent because it was supposed to be a miracle so to show its a miracle it was made so fluent even more fluent and hard than quraysh language itself which was the most fluent, just like how other miracles were proven and to certain people like essa (jesus) with his people, at his time his people were with medicine so his miracle was to heal blindness and all; things they couldn't do even with them excelling in medicine, if you read mosa(moses) story in quran, its the same thing with pharaoh and magic and all that. So the point was quran was more fluent than quraysh, them being the most fluent at that time couldn't bring something/ book or words or speech more fluent and pronunciation of words, etc, etc.

Quran is not exactly like quraysh's dialect but similar. Its harder than quraysh's dialect, the pronouncing, rules and all that.




Human body contains what soil/sand elements contain; it is composed of carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, phosphorus, sulfur, nitrogen, calcium, potassium, sodium, chlorine, magnesium, iron, manganese, copper, iodine, fluorine, and cobalt , zinc, silicon, aluminum, and all these elements are the same items, consisting also of the soil, though different proportions betwee soil and soil, from person to person. Also, the percentage of water in the human body, equivalent to the proportion of the seas to land on the planet, Adam was from the dust of the earth.

Here's an english article if you want, shows the difference between embryo development in quran compared to ancient greece and other cultures:
http://www.islamicwritings.org/quran/me ... mbryology/

Same, he would decide which sperm would be fertilizing the egg by its circumstances

That Quran somehow can't be translated is nonsense, there are translations on the interwebs.
Reminds me of what the Roman Catholic Church did, only Bibles in Latin and not in the local language. Otherwise the commoners would no longer need to be hand-fed their religion to them by the clergy.

No one said it can't be translated but you have to look for good translations because its hard to translate it and needs someone who knows a lot to translate it so someone like me can't do that or distinguish between the correct translations and all very well

Translation of any text from one language into another has always been difficult. As the old Lutheran Pastor who had confirmed me once told me, as no language translates easily into another (in this case, Hebrew and Greek for the Bible), you can't say that any current English language Bible is inerrant, despite what fundamentalists say. The point is though, it's the spirit behind the word, and not the literal letter of the word that counts.

This is not quite correct. At a chemical level every human being body tissue/bone/blood is made up of specific concentrations of organic elements C/N/O/H (98-99%) and only miniscule "trace" elements (1-2%) of metals. The clay which Allah supposedly used to make humans is made up primarily (99%) of minerals containing iron, calcium, magnesium and alkali metals. This means our DNA is an assembly line that takes organic nutrients from the air, water and food to create our bodies. Only an insignificant amount comes from the soil.


This is a blog site masquerading as a scholarly article (I should know as I used to assess the academic merit of research articles for a living). and I notice the author is not that enthusiastic to identify themselves, so I gather it's a pro-muslim article written by a muslim. I sense a conflict of interest in the content being objective or impartial.


This is called random chance. We know it's nothing magic as a number of animals (including humans) can influence the gender of their offspring based on things as mundane as temperature or hormones...

Some vacabulary words in arabic don't have equal vocabulary words meanings in english so sometimes the word translated has a completely different meaning which changes the idea of the whole ayah, thats why if quran is translated theres always an explanation to it
Like for example the word ويحك (a classical arabic word and not from quran too) means be wary and careful in arabic (vacabulary) while when translated in english its woe which means great sorrow or distress lol
Trying to understand quran in translates is even worser than watching a japanese animation being english dubbed



Human body is made from many elements, mostly water and soil, soil contains water too so almost all minerals in the human body are derived from soil via plants or water because our body is composed of earthly elements derived from the soil anything that we consume comes from soil too, also all of whats found in soil is found in human body

Thats very irrelevant lol, if you think its not worth considering because its an article supporting a belief written by a person believing in that belief then I don't see why people should consider your beliefs as well since what you write is what you believe too. Facts and ideas should be considered not the purpose to why they were made or intentions of their making

Also the same since he would be the one controlling the core or origin of circumstances

I don't really get what you are saying here. If someone translates that Arabic word to English as "woe" and it means something else, then they just made a bad translation. They could just revise their translation and make sure they translate it correctly.
Most Muslims don't even speak modern Arabic, and certainly not the Arabic of the Quran. They would need a translation. Any text can be translated as long as there are still people who know what the original says.

Also, if a word is very difficult to translate it is perfectly fine to leave it untranslated, with a footnote explaining what it means. There are many such words and expressions that have caught on, such as apartheid, Schadenfreude, Sehnsucht, noblesse oblige and so on.

trollcatman

I was only giving a small example of the errors which happen
Most people translate the same way google translator does, I was reading some quran in english once and it sounded wrong also so many if not most translated quran isn't 5/5 accurate
Speaking of what I hear most modern muslims and many arabs need the quran to be explained to them because they can't understand it well so it has to be explained to them so what about people with different langauges and cultures? I think its so much harder for them to understand it
Thats rare and a hard thing to do
There are explanations sometimes but not always and don't let me get into whether the explanations are accurate or not because thats also a topic

Almost the entire suite of elements that enter our bodies is from the atmosphere (not the earth). We drink water that is precipitation or rainwater and eat food that is fixed from the atmosphere by plants. Even the animals we eat derived their nutrients from plants. I'm afraid science disproves the Quranic fantasy that we are made up of clay. The elements that make up our bodies are from the air and much from space.



When an individual (or a group of individuals) construct a piece of work as scholarly then it actually invites scrutiny (that is the purpose of scholarship). This paper has serious flaws and I would have rejected it for publishing for a few simple reasons.

Firstly the author/s have not identified them/selves. This is usually a bad sign of an ulterior motive.

Secondly the sources which this paper draws from are works of islamic propaganda published (in the usual places that produce islamic propaganda) Iran, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

Thirdly the author/s use obfuscation throughout their article to hide the fact that they are actually expressing opinions (rather than facts) with the intention to invalidate evidence of plagiarism but then insert their dubious sources at strategic points to give the impression the Quran could not have sourced other bodies of work.

Finally (and most telling) is the posting of support to the paper. The messages of support include references to the real purpose of this paper as defense against the kaffiran (non-believers) questioning "pious" muslims about the obvious gaping holes in the Quran. It is essentially an admission the paper is pure propaganda and nothing else. Muslims are taught to to lie to non-believers (taqqiya) in order to prevent (what they perceive) as blasphemy against the words of the Quran (which in essence is pointing out flaws that might bring practicing muslims to question their beliefs).

I lived in a muslim country for 3 years and was friends with muslims (who thought they could convert me) and I learned a lot about the state of islam. One of my friends was a Hajji who was also a hafeez (one who memorised the Quran word for word) and an islamic preacher who spent his free time visiting muslim homes. He told me the reason there isn't a holy crusade (jihad) against the non-believers is because 90% of people who profess to be muslims do not understand the literal teachings of the Quran and compromise when it comes to the attractions of western culture, morality and western tolerance. This friend would visit homes and with the intention of teaching the Quran and how muslim families are supposed to live (i.e. stop wearing jeans and wear cloaks, dont watch TV etc).

The irony of finding this truth is this Hajji (whom represents a great long term danger to the west) is to this day one of the most intelligent and charismatic men I have ever met. I really wish he could have allocated his time to science as he would have been a brilliant scientist.

Zajie, see what literal understanding of the Quran leads to
http://www.news.com.au/technology/saudi ... 7223268159

This Saudi cleric (an expert on the Quran) actually believes the earth does not rotate around the sun!

Got a few of those nutbars in Christianity, too.