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I understand raptor but why are you trying to defend these insufferable frat boy idiots? here's one who got away with multiple homicide/murder because the judge thought because he's wealthy it's not his fault...
http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/12/12/the ... -accident/

He's not defending frat boys, he's attacking stereotyping, just as Raptor and I have been doing.

If that's the case then it's a fine line between covert support for what is essentially anti-social and dangerous behavior and (what you claim) is unfair stereotyping of wealthy spoilt college frat boys in addition to previous groups whom you and raptor have defended in the past such as gun fanatics, tea party supporters and racists. You might call it fighting stereotypes but lets not kid ourselves why you and raptor hide behind the first amendment to take pot shots at anyone who dares try and topple the proverbial applecart of "right wing darlings" and their woeful humanitarian track record.

Funny how according to Dox and Raptor that anyone having a different view on gun rights, or who think places of business have no right to discriminate against customers are uninformed liberal ideologues, but criticize bad behavior of anyone on the right, and you're guilty of stereotyping.

Covert support? In my case I wouldn't bother to be covert about it. And this has evolved into a jock-o-phobia campaign which is sharing the same characteristics of the racism and homophobia you all would be screeching about if that were the case. It's not very liberal of you all to be as narrow minded as you make any non-progressive out to be at every opportunity.


What are you talking about here?


Grow up.

Ah, now that an ally has come to your rescue you take another shot at your nemeses Dox and Raptor.
Cheap and childish.....

No more cheap and childish than you and Dox ganging up on me. And I thought I had made a rather valid point.

Stereotyping is bad.

There are "good" people and "bad" people everywhere, and in most groups.

Being an Aspie does not mean you have to be bullied at school; some schools actually succeed in creating an inclusive atmosphere where it is kids that choose to bully who get marginalized, not the "different" kids. My son's high school has a reputation for being that type of school, and my son has not been bullied there AT ALL.

While there have always been some Frats doing these sorts of stupid things, it is only relatively recently that the bad behavior had the opportunity to create as many devastating consequences as it does today. Social media changed the game forever.

It is not always jocks joining Frats, and different Fraternities have different personalities just like any group of people will. Some are nice, some aren't.

The school was right to close down a group that did not know how to restrain it's negative instincts.

No one's ganging up on you, it's just your victim complex at work.

Oh, really? I happen to make a comment on any random topic pertaining to politics and society, and you and Dox jump all over me. I disagree with either of you on a topic, and you both go on a tirade duet against me. Sounds like ganging up to me. Or is Dox just your ally who comes to your rescue?

That's the thing about principles, you don't get to pick and choose when you apply them, which is what makes them principles, not that you'd know anything about that sort of thing. I'd defend Hitler if someone called him a pedophile, I don't care for lies, even against otherwise loathsome people.



Did I invoke the 1st amendment in this thread? I attack stupid and ignorant statements, hence why you and Kraichgauer so often find yourselves on the wrong end of my posts. I suppose you also think the ACLU supports the rights of neo-Nazis to march because they're really a bunch of closet right wingers? Lawyers that defend murderers are in favor of murder? I mean, I'm so right wing, what with my support for such wingnuttery as guaranteed minimum income, ending the drug war, reforming the justice system to make it more fair, etc, real crazy stuff.

Also, your mind reading skills haven't improved, you really shouldn't embarrass yourself like that.

Just because you and the ACLU think it the right thing to do to defend bad people when their rights are violated or are slandered, you seem to think cyberdad and myself are wrong for taking positions that we believe are right. Did you ever consider that our stances are what we genuinely believe, and that perhaps the more polite thing to do would be to just agree to disagree?

Actually, I have no problem with people who simply disagree with me, it's morons who have no idea what they're talking about, who display no original or critical thinking, who are too stupid or stubborn to reconsider their opinions in light of contradictory evidence, and who constantly misrepresent me and my views, who draw my contempt and condescension. I'd tell you to stick to what you known when posting, but that would pretty much limit you to dead celebrities and pro wrestling.

I believe you're wrong because you don't know what you're talking about and your opinions are ill considered at best, and I don't particularly care whether you believe your own BS or not, as that doesn't make your positions any more informed or intelligent. Every zealot "knows" that he's right, as you recently claimed in another thread, and challenging ignorant zealotry is one of the things I do here. Besides, you've made a habit of slandering me, and that doesn't exactly predispose me towards politeness, especially when you're demonstrably wrong.

Ahh, moral equivalence, your favorite logical fallacy. Besides which, no one is "ganging up" on you, we're both just apparently sick of your uninformed, poorly reasoned, and often hypocritical posts, which you post with enough frequency to draw both of our attention.



Surprise surprise, you thought wrong, as usual, as I pointed out in my response to that post.

^^^
Personal attacks now!
And say what you will, I think it's painfully apparent to the rest of us that you regard anyone espousing a political view outside of a libertarian/conservative one as uninformed. And no, being outraged by police abuse doesn't count as taking up the liberal mantle from time to time, as anyone and everyone has done that. If I'm a blatant liberal partisan, then you're my libertarian counterpart.
Incidentally, I have a question for you. When Raptor accuses someone else of class envy for simply criticizing treatment of workers or the income gap, or sponging off the government when someone has need of public assistance, why haven't you ever taking him to task for that? Surely, you have to know attacks like that are personal and demeaning - unless of course, those things he posts actually reflects what you also believe.