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26 Jun 2015, 7:15 pm

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Gun owners are killing people every day...


So are gay people.



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26 Jun 2015, 7:16 pm

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No. Churches have always been able to marry whoever they see fit. Gay people could and did get married by clergy. They just didn't have legal recognition.

Your church could marry you to your car if it wanted to. Just wouldn't mean anything to the government.


Gotcha.

Seems good then.



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26 Jun 2015, 7:17 pm

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If Thomas could travel back in time and see how much dignity had been lost by captive Africans sold as slaves, or American citizens interned in camps, and deemed untrustworthy, because they were of Japanese extraction, I think he'd see just how much dignity had been ripped away from them.


The Japanese-American interment was done by FDR, and it must not have been a big deal because we built a monument to the racist in Washington.

I've known people who were interned and believe me when they were still furious about it. They lost everything. They lost all property they owned and their freedom was over for the duration. No matter who was president, it was a terrible blight on our country...


There is some evidence that this started in california, with white farmers wanting to take over land owned or leased and worked by japanese farmers.

And it spiraled out of control from there.



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26 Jun 2015, 7:22 pm

Dillogic wrote:
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Gun owners are killing people every day...


So are gay people.

Care to enlighten us, Homer...



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26 Jun 2015, 7:32 pm

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Care to enlighten us, Homer...


What, gay people don't murder people daily?

Whatever their percentage in the population, they're going to be represented in the daily worldwide homicide rate.

But, we assume they're innocent until proven guilty, because you know, freedom.



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26 Jun 2015, 7:40 pm

Dillogic wrote:
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Care to enlighten us, Homer...


What, gay people don't murder people daily?

Whatever their percentage in the population, they're going to be represented in the daily worldwide homicide rate.

But, we assume they're innocent until proven guilty, because you know, freedom.

Well played, Ninja. Well played.


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26 Jun 2015, 7:59 pm

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The end of civilization as we know it.


I concur, let the bad old days of discrimination against gay people be cast onto the ash heap of history. Good riddance to odious s***, I say.


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26 Jun 2015, 11:11 pm

blauSamstag wrote:
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The end of civilization as we know it.


You say that like it would be a bad thing.


Because it is. Marriage is meant purely to between a man and a woman. The Lord created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.



What about all those old testament prophets who had a whole gaggle of wives?


Those prophets, if you're talking about Moses, Joshua, etc., are pre-10 commandments. There was no law to break at that time. It is only when Moses came down from the mountain did it become sin. There are specific taboos against homosexuality in Leviticus, as well as I Corinthians.

Why do you think Greece is no longer a great empire? For that matter, why do you think Roman Empire no longer exists? Why do you think the United States is about to fall to the same fate? IT IS BECAUSE OF THEIR RESPECTIVE SOCIETIES TOTAL DEPRAVITY! THE SO-CALLED LGBT LIFESTYLE HAD A LOT TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE DOWFALL OF THOSE SOCIETIES.

Read the article in this link and think hard before responding: https://carm.org/bible-homosexuality

For those who say there is no God, more's the pity on you, since, AFAIC, you have no hope. I walked in your shoes at one time, and I was one of the Worst, and most miserable SOB's around. However, I'm not so naive as to try to convice you that you are seriously misguided, so I won't bother. You'll have to figure this out for yourself, if you ever figure it out. Otherwise, ad hominem attacks on my views will just go sent to /dev/null.



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26 Jun 2015, 11:43 pm

I wish it had been phrased with more reference to individual rights. As it is it looks more like an arbitrary gift from the government. Still, it's progress. Felicitations to those who directly benefit from this change.


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27 Jun 2015, 12:01 am

Meistersinger wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
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blauSamstag wrote:
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The end of civilization as we know it.


You say that like it would be a bad thing.


Because it is. Marriage is meant purely to between a man and a woman. The Lord created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.



What about all those old testament prophets who had a whole gaggle of wives?


Those prophets, if you're talking about Moses, Joshua, etc., are pre-10 commandments. There was no law to break at that time. It is only when Moses came down from the mountain did it become sin. There are specific taboos against homosexuality in Leviticus, as well as I Corinthians.

Why do you think Greece is no longer a great empire? For that matter, why do you think Roman Empire no longer exists? Why do you think the United States is about to fall to the same fate? IT IS BECAUSE OF THEIR RESPECTIVE SOCIETIES TOTAL DEPRAVITY! THE SO-CALLED LGBT LIFESTYLE HAD A LOT TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE DOWFALL OF THOSE SOCIETIES.

Read the article in this link and think hard before responding: https://carm.org/bible-homosexuality


You really are serious.

What about the other stuff in Leviticus?

I don't see this one enforced:

“He who blasphemes the name of the Lord shall be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him; the sojourner as well as the native, when he blasphemes the Name, shall be put to death.” (Lev. 24:16)

Or this one:

“And the swine, because it parts the hoof and is cloven-footed but does not chew the cud, is unclean to you. Of their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch; they are unclean to you.” (Lev. 11:7–8)

Or this one:

“It shall be a perpetual statute throughout Your generations, in all your dwelling places, that you eat neither fat nor blood.” (Lev. 3:17)

Or this one:

“You shall not round off the hair on your temples or mar the edges of your beard.” (Lev. 19:27)

Or this one:

“Everything in the waters that has fins and scales, whether in the seas or in the rivers, you may eat. But anything in the rivers that has not fins and scales, of the swarming creatures in the waters and of the living creatures that are in the waters, is an abomination to you. They shall remain an abomination to you; of their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall have in abomination. Everything in the waters that has not fins and scales is an abomination to you.” (Lev. 11:9–12)

Or this one:

“If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall be put to death.” (Lev. 20:10)

Or this one:

“For no one who has a blemish shall draw near, a man blind or lame, or who has a mutilated face or a limb too long, or a man who has an injured foot or an injured hand, or a hunchback, or a dwarf, or a man with a defect in his sights or an itching disease or scabs or crushed testicles; no man of the descendants of Aaron the priest who has a blemish shall come near to offer the Lord’s offerings by fire; since he has a blemish, he shall not come near to offer the bread of his God…He shall not come near the veil or approach the altar, because he has a blemish, that he may not profane my sanctuaries…” (Lev. 21:18–23)

Or any of these:

“Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.” (Lev. 19:19)

The word of the Lord is absolute, right? Hop to it. There are people out there growing squash, corn, and beans together and they must be stopped.

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For those who say there is no God, more's the pity on you, since, AFAIC, you have no hope. I walked in your shoes at one time, and I was one of the Worst, and most miserable SOB's around. However, I'm not so naive as to try to convice you that you are seriously misguided, so I won't bother. You'll have to figure this out for yourself, if you ever figure it out. Otherwise, ad hominem attacks on my views will just go sent to /dev/null.


Although i'm the first to admit that he's not only a bit of an ass but also prone to using other people's ideas and never giving them credit, I have to side with Dawkins on this sentiment:

“The total amount of suffering per year in the natural world is beyond all decent contemplation. During the minute that it takes me to compose this sentence, thousands of animals are being eaten alive, many others are running for their lives, whimpering with fear, others are slowly being devoured from within by rasping parasites, thousands of all kinds are dying of starvation, thirst, and disease. It must be so. If there ever is a time of plenty, this very fact will automatically lead to an increase in the population until the natural state of starvation and misery is restored. In a universe of electrons and selfish genes, blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won't find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference.”

If there is a supreme deity, the evidence suggests that i shouldn't want to worship it.

But i tend to believe that this life is all there is. That the lack of a supernatural influence in the universe places all blame and responsibility for betterment on mankind. And that when i die, my waveform will collapse, and if i live on it will be in the memories of those who have known me.

And i actually find that to be more optimistic and comforting than the bible or the book of mormon.



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27 Jun 2015, 12:23 am

Also, doesn't Corinthians ban divorce?



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27 Jun 2015, 12:41 am

Meistersinger wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
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blauSamstag wrote:
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The end of civilization as we know it.


You say that like it would be a bad thing.


Because it is. Marriage is meant purely to between a man and a woman. The Lord created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.



What about all those old testament prophets who had a whole gaggle of wives?


Those prophets, if you're talking about Moses, Joshua, etc., are pre-10 commandments. There was no law to break at that time. It is only when Moses came down from the mountain did it become sin. There are specific taboos against homosexuality in Leviticus, as well as I Corinthians.

Why do you think Greece is no longer a great empire? For that matter, why do you think Roman Empire no longer exists? Why do you think the United States is about to fall to the same fate? IT IS BECAUSE OF THEIR RESPECTIVE SOCIETIES TOTAL DEPRAVITY! THE SO-CALLED LGBT LIFESTYLE HAD A LOT TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE DOWFALL OF THOSE SOCIETIES.

Read the article in this link and think hard before responding: https://carm.org/bible-homosexuality

For those who say there is no God, more's the pity on you, since, AFAIC, you have no hope. I walked in your shoes at one time, and I was one of the Worst, and most miserable SOB's around. However, I'm not so naive as to try to convice you that you are seriously misguided, so I won't bother. You'll have to figure this out for yourself, if you ever figure it out. Otherwise, ad hominem attacks on my views will just go sent to /dev/null.


Actually, Rome was Christian by the time of the fall. There was a lot more going on about the western empire, and it had nothing to do with same sex couples.


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27 Jun 2015, 1:01 am

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Glad to see "Murica" is catching up with the rest of the civilised world. Maybe they can have a look at gun laws next...

Haha... NO!

Only 18 countries as of now recognize gay marriage!

They are:
Argentina, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Denmark, France, Iceland, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, New Zealand Norway, Portugal, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, the United Kingdom, the United States and Uruguay...

Finland, Ireland, and Slovenia are next when their laws come into force.


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27 Jun 2015, 1:31 am

it is good now, that the gay couples can experience the same marital agonies as the straight couples.



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27 Jun 2015, 4:56 am

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I love, Love, LOVE this.....

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.....'cept, I wish it was a REAL picture of the White House----or, better yet, put those colored lights on the front lawn, to be beamed onto the White House, tonight!!


Well, this happened ...

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More info: http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2 ... /29374471/

Quite touching, really!


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27 Jun 2015, 4:56 am

purty :jester: