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27 Aug 2015, 2:42 am

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I don't think it's trolling. I think it's sincere.


Based on what? Your latent psychic powers? In depth study of frat boys? Feminist indoctrination?


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27 Aug 2015, 3:04 am

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What's the world coming to?

A friendlier place for women?

Go too far with the nitpicking to where it annoys enough people and a trend in the opposite (i.e. less friendly) direction could be the result. :shameonyou:


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27 Aug 2015, 3:07 am

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Four pages (so far) over a few suggestive banners hanging from one frat house.
What's the world coming to?
:roll: :roll:


Strange to whinge when you've contributed many of the above posts.


I'm not the one complaining about the banners, I'm the one complaining about the complainers.
There's a difference.


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27 Aug 2015, 3:39 am

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Four pages (so far) over a few suggestive banners hanging from one frat house.
What's the world coming to?
:roll: :roll:


Strange to whinge when you've contributed many of the above posts.


I'm not the one complaining about the banners, I'm the one complaining about the complainers.
There's a difference.


Does that mean that we have now posts complaining about those who are complaining about the complainers?



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27 Aug 2015, 3:43 am

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So words have no power? You used words to disagree with me, some people use words to convince others of their views. Words represent thoughts, thoughts lead to actions. And the actions these guys are promoting with their words are predatory.


Yep. Zero power (the only power they have is what you allow them to have over you).

Actions are all that matter. Actions don't need words to initiate them.

Thoughts also have zero power.


Actually this is false....thoughts and words can lead to actions, some of which can be harmful so yeah thoughts and words do have power as they effect action.


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27 Aug 2015, 3:58 am

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That drinking excuse only works if they're so inebriated that they can't function. You have rape then.

Having several beers over a couple of hours (which is a lot to drink for the little amount of ethanol consumed) isn't going to put a woman so far gone that they lose higher functions.

It takes two to tango with these things.

I think people are just shocked that women are just as sexual as men for the most part. The whole women = sexually innocent flowers stuff has never been true unless it's been forced onto them.

Women play those "scoring" games too.


Yeah and a freshman girl who's never drank for instance may not be having several beers over a couple hours....especially if a predatory male encourages her to take many shots say in an hour. and essentially get wasted and then coerces her into a bed to f***. Now I am not trying to say all or most males in college are predatory but it does exist and a naive freshmen girl is a perfect victim for those...of course not all freshmen girls are all that naive or new to drinking but plenty are.

I don't think this is about people being shocked women can be just as sexual as men....I think people are criticizing guys taking advantage of girls or even going as far as raping them in college, and some feel these banners encourage that kind of behavior. I personally don't think any intent to 'rape' was implied per say but still find the banners distasteful and if I saw them I'd want to steer clear of those individuals...still seems to imply they'd have no qualms taking advantage to get laid.


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27 Aug 2015, 4:03 am

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^ Oh get over it already. :roll:
It's a frat house full of horny dudes as frat houses traditionally have been.
Believe it or not, girls often like to f**k as well.
The house in question is private property and off campus so it really should be none of the university's business. As long as they're getting thier tuition they should just STFU and suck it up.


^That's the alpha male culture I was talking about: do whatever you want without any regards for repercussions that don't directly affect you.
About the only thing that's been done is some over-reactive hysterical caterwauling over a few mildly suggestive banners.

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Then when some girl gets raped and develops PTSD and can't function properly in society you'll complain about having to pay for the medicare that provides help for her-- well those are the indirect consequences you never thought about.
PTSD my ass. :roll:

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So suck it up, be a man, and pay the consequences.
I agree with you here. They do need to learn to suck it up like men.
I didn't want to say that, though, since it seems a bit harsh and everyone here knows how sweet, gentle, and thoughtful I am.


Sorry but you're an idiot if you don't think rape would cause PTSD...and you seem to be the only one here getting hysterical just because you don't like that people don't like the banners.


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27 Aug 2015, 7:53 am

Dox47 wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
I don't think it's trolling. I think it's sincere.


Based on what? Your latent psychic powers? In depth study of frat boys? Feminist indoctrination?

Because it shows their attitude towards women.

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Raptor wrote:
What's the world coming to?

A friendlier place for women?

Go too far with the nitpicking to where it annoys enough people and a trend in the opposite (i.e. less friendly) direction could be the result. :shameonyou:

A trend in the opposite (less friendly) direction? Could you be more specific?



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27 Aug 2015, 8:23 am

androbot01 wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
I don't think it's trolling. I think it's sincere.


Based on what? Your latent psychic powers? In depth study of frat boys? Feminist indoctrination?

Because it shows their attitude towards women.

Raptor wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
Raptor wrote:
What's the world coming to?

A friendlier place for women?

Go too far with the nitpicking to where it annoys enough people and a trend in the opposite (i.e. less friendly) direction could be the result. :shameonyou:

A trend in the opposite (less friendly) direction? Could you be more specific?


He's not necessarily wrong on the last point. Some people are so hard headed and ignorant they won't listen or debate the argument they'll just hunker down in their pre-existing beliefs even more. These are the people that have more homo than sapian (homo not being derogatory for gay, but a term for animal-- like the term always should have meant).



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27 Aug 2015, 8:28 am

Aristophanes wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
I don't think it's trolling. I think it's sincere.


Based on what? Your latent psychic powers? In depth study of frat boys? Feminist indoctrination?

Because it shows their attitude towards women.

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androbot01 wrote:
Raptor wrote:
What's the world coming to?

A friendlier place for women?

Go too far with the nitpicking to where it annoys enough people and a trend in the opposite (i.e. less friendly) direction could be the result. :shameonyou:

A trend in the opposite (less friendly) direction? Could you be more specific?


He's not necessarily wrong on the last point. Some people are so hard headed and ignorant they won't listen or debate the argument they'll just hunker down in their pre-existing beliefs even more. These are the people that have more homo than sapian (homo not being derogatory for gay, but a term for animal-- like the term always should have meant).

The solution to bullies is to let them get their way? I disagree. You can't let people get away with it because you are afraid they will be nasty if you don't.



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27 Aug 2015, 12:28 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
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^ Oh get over it already. :roll:
It's a frat house full of horny dudes as frat houses traditionally have been.
Believe it or not, girls often like to f**k as well.
The house in question is private property and off campus so it really should be none of the university's business. As long as they're getting thier tuition they should just STFU and suck it up.


^That's the alpha male culture I was talking about: do whatever you want without any regards for repercussions that don't directly affect you.
About the only thing that's been done is some over-reactive hysterical caterwauling over a few mildly suggestive banners.

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Then when some girl gets raped and develops PTSD and can't function properly in society you'll complain about having to pay for the medicare that provides help for her-- well those are the indirect consequences you never thought about.
PTSD my ass. :roll:

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So suck it up, be a man, and pay the consequences.
I agree with you here. They do need to learn to suck it up like men.
I didn't want to say that, though, since it seems a bit harsh and everyone here knows how sweet, gentle, and thoughtful I am.


Sorry but you're an idiot if you don't think rape would cause PTSD.
Thanks for the personal attack but to assume that banners with boyishly naughty wording will automatically precipitate rape which will consequently precipitate PTSD is idiotic.

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and you seem to be the only one here getting hysterical just because you don't like that people don't like the banners.
I don't suffer from hysteria but I'm often the cause of it. :twisted:


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27 Aug 2015, 12:39 pm

Raptor wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Raptor wrote:
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^ Oh get over it already. :roll:
It's a frat house full of horny dudes as frat houses traditionally have been.
Believe it or not, girls often like to f**k as well.
The house in question is private property and off campus so it really should be none of the university's business. As long as they're getting thier tuition they should just STFU and suck it up.


^That's the alpha male culture I was talking about: do whatever you want without any regards for repercussions that don't directly affect you.
About the only thing that's been done is some over-reactive hysterical caterwauling over a few mildly suggestive banners.

Quote:
Then when some girl gets raped and develops PTSD and can't function properly in society you'll complain about having to pay for the medicare that provides help for her-- well those are the indirect consequences you never thought about.
PTSD my ass. :roll:

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So suck it up, be a man, and pay the consequences.
I agree with you here. They do need to learn to suck it up like men.
I didn't want to say that, though, since it seems a bit harsh and everyone here knows how sweet, gentle, and thoughtful I am.


Sorry but you're an idiot if you don't think rape would cause PTSD.
Thanks for the personal attack but to assume that banners with boyishly naughty wording will automatically precipitate rape which will consequently precipitate PTSD is idiotic.

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and you seem to be the only one here getting hysterical just because you don't like that people don't like the banners.
I don't suffer from hysteria but I'm often the cause of it. :twisted:


Ok fine I am sorry about the idiot part....then again since it appears you are aware rape can cause PTSD, kind of voids the comment. I would still think someone who doesn't think rape could cause PTSD is an idiot but you're not one of those idiots.

You're response to 'a girl gets raped and develops PTSD' was 'PTSD my a**' hence why I thought you meant rape cannot cause PTSD, guess you mean the banners wouldn't cause PTSD which is true.

And you were the one raging at people to 'get over it' like when someone comes into a thread to post 'I don't care' than proceeds to argue their point about it. I guess to me it seemed ragey/hysterical because of that association I made...whether you were actually feeling ragey/hysterical I have no way of knowing.


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27 Aug 2015, 12:45 pm

Aristophanes wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
I don't think it's trolling. I think it's sincere.


Based on what? Your latent psychic powers? In depth study of frat boys? Feminist indoctrination?

Because it shows their attitude towards women.

Raptor wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
Raptor wrote:
What's the world coming to?

A friendlier place for women?

Go too far with the nitpicking to where it annoys enough people and a trend in the opposite (i.e. less friendly) direction could be the result. :shameonyou:

A trend in the opposite (less friendly) direction? Could you be more specific?


He's not necessarily wrong on the last point. Some people are so hard headed and ignorant they won't listen or debate the argument they'll just hunker down in their pre-existing beliefs even more. These are the people that have more homo than sapian (homo not being derogatory for gay, but a term for animal-- like the term always should have meant).

More like people could get so fed up with this feminist knee-jerk reactionism that a "boy that cried wolf" scenario will take hold and these little episodes of crying for justice over such pettiness will start drawing automatic scorn, mocking criticism, and be automatically disregarded. The resultant attitudes could could over time transition from "Oh, I see your concern and you're right; men really are pigs and something should be done to change attitudes" to an eventual "Bi+ch, just STFU and get back in the kitchen" type of responses.


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And you were the one raging at people to 'get over it' like when someone comes into a thread to post 'I don't care' than proceeds to argue their point about it. I guess to me it seemed ragey/hysterical because of that association I made...whether you were actually feeling ragey/hysterical I have no way of knowing.

Rage? Me? Hardly. :lol:


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More like people could get so fed up with this feminist knee-jerk reactionism that a "boy that cried wolf" scenario will take hold and these little episodes of crying for justice over such pettiness will start drawing automatic scorn, mocking criticism, and be automatically disregarded. The resultant attitudes could could over time transition from "Oh, I see your concern and you're right; men really are pigs and something should be done to change attitudes" to an eventual "Bi+ch, just STFU and get back in the kitchen" type of responses.


That breed of human is slowly becoming domesticated. Year after year that attitude has less and less effect on our society and it will eventually reach a point where it's just not tolerated. The march of progress is slow but it's also an unstoppable force: the hard social truth is that we have much more to gain as a society by empowering as many people as possible than we do by diminishing them because it merely diminishes the whole.

A person produces less when they're unhappy, unstable, etc. If a large a portion of the population, say 50% as females are, is less productive that's a large chunk of production left on the table. Economic forces alone will dictate this shift-- look at sexism in the work environment, it still exists but as the years go by it keeps getting chipped away and chipped away by company policy and company policing. This is because companies realize that they have more to gain by keeping a large portion of their workforce, women, happy and very productive rather than fearful and less productive. Now take your "get in the kitchen" person, that attitude will not fly in most current work environments. If you want a job you're gonna have to check that attitude at the door. If it's not actively repeated in a work environment, where a majority of people do most of their socialization, it becomes less regurgitated and less likely to be repeated outside that environment. We've already chosen our fork in the river, we're currently just rafting downstream until we hit our landing.



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More like people could get so fed up with this feminist knee-jerk reactionism that a "boy that cried wolf" scenario will take hold and these little episodes of crying for justice over such pettiness will start drawing automatic scorn, mocking criticism, and be automatically disregarded. The resultant attitudes could could over time transition from "Oh, I see your concern and you're right; men really are pigs and something should be done to change attitudes" to an eventual "Bi+ch, just STFU and get back in the kitchen" type of responses.


That breed of human is slowly becoming domesticated. Year after year that attitude has less and less effect on our society and it will eventually reach a point where it's just not tolerated. The march of progress is slow but it's also an unstoppable force: the hard social truth is that we have much more to gain as a society by empowering as many people as possible than we do by diminishing them because it merely diminishes the whole.

A person produces less when they're unhappy, unstable, etc. If a large a portion of the population, say 50% as females are, is less productive that's a large chunk of production left on the table. Economic forces alone will dictate this shift-- look at sexism in the work environment, it still exists but as the years go by it keeps getting chipped away and chipped away by company policy and company policing. This is because companies realize that they have more to gain by keeping a large portion of their workforce, women, happy and very productive rather than fearful and less productive. Now take your "get in the kitchen" person, that attitude will not fly in most current work environments. If you want a job you're gonna have to check that attitude at the door. If it's not actively repeated in a work environment, where a majority of people do most of their socialization, it becomes less regurgitated and less likely to be repeated outside that environment. We've already chosen our fork in the river, we're currently just rafting downstream until we hit our landing.


I'll be brief.
Employers fear discrimination suits.
Employees fear retribution from their employers.
Women (not men) can run to HR and scream discrimination and whip up a tear or two for effect and an inquisition will ensue. Even if HR and management knows well enough that it's all just BS they'll go on the attack to protect themselves out of fear.

Seen it enough with more than one employer. Plenty of others see this and resent it as well.
It gets old.


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