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the problem is that this mythical other organization we could fund to help women doesn't exist. women will just go without services.

also, NO federal money goes for abortions. when the government pays for a pap smear or a gonorrhea test, there is no money left over to funnel into abortions. medicaid barely pays enough to cover the stated cost of test it covers. when i used to practice medicine, medicaid paid seven dollars for an office visit. that doesn't even cover the paperwork.

but if they didn't receive those funds then the money they spend on abortions would have to be shared so it is indirectly funding abortions in that organization. As for this other hypothetical organization, I know Planned Parenthood is not the only game in town so lets say hypothetically would you support defunding PP if all non-abortion services were continued and funded somewhere else?

Murdoch owns 20th Century Fox and News Corp.

For publications:
In UK: it's The Times, The sun, The Sunday Times, and the majority stake in Press Association (which owns numerous outlets in the UK and Ireland)

In Australia: The Australian, 45% of Australian AP, http://www.news.com.au National online news website, The Daily Telegraph, The Sunday Telegraph, Herald Sun, Sunday Herald Sun, Lions Raw, The Courier-Mail, The Sunday Mail, Brisbane News, The Advertiser, Sunday Mail, The Sunday Times, The Mercury, The Sunday Tasmanian, Northern Territory News, Sunday Territorian.

He's company owns over 80+ local newspapers and publications in Australia.

In the U.S.: Wall Street Journal, NY Post and many local newspapers.

International: Dow Jones & Company which is Business and financial publications.


The Wall Street Journal – the leading US financial newspaper.
Wall Street Journal Europe
Wall Street Journal Asia
Barron's – weekly financial markets magazine.
Marketwatch – Financial news and information website.
Far Eastern Economic Review
Financial News
Dow Jones Newswires – global, real-time news and information provider.
Factiva – provides business news and information together with content delivery tools and services.
Dow Jones Indexes – stock market indexes and indicators, including the Dow Jones Industrial Average.
Dow Jones Financial Information Services — produces databases, electronic media, newsletters, conferences, directories, and other information services on specialised markets and industry sectors.
Betten Financial News — leading Dutch language financial and economic news service.

He does not own Dow Jones Industrial Average (the major stock average), which is owned by the biggest text book publisher McGraw Hill, who also owns S&P500


Lastly for publications he owns HarperCollins (one of the main book publishers) and all of it's subsidiaries.

Now for his multimedia holdings...

in the U.S., Film:

20th Century Fox
20th Century Fox Home Entertainment
Fox 2000 Pictures
Fox International Productions
Fox Searchlight Pictures
20th Century Fox Animation
Blue Sky Studios
20th Century Fox Español
20th Century Fox International
Fox Studios Australia
Fox Studios LA

For TV/Cable:

Fox News Group
Fox News Channel
Fox Business Network
Fox Television Stations, also known as Fox Television Stations Group
first-run syndication production
MyNetworkTV
Movies! (50%)
Fox Broadcasting

Endemol Shine Group

Endemol
Core Media Group
Bossa Studios, social gaming producer
ChannelFlip, online original content producers
Dragonfly Film and Television Productions, documentary
Friday TV
Kudos, drama producer
Metronome Film & Television, Nordic production company
Princess Productions, entertainment and multi-genre
Shine America
Shine TV (UK)
Shine TV
Shine 360°, licensing division
Shine International, international sales and distribution arm
Shine Network, unscripted formats division
children production co-venture with Teletubbies and In The Night Garden co-creator Andrew Davenport

Also there is Fox Network (Cable)


FX Networks
FX
FXX
FXM
FX Productions
Fox Life
Fox Sports Enterprises
STATS LLC
Fox Digital Media

Fox Sports Media Group

Fox Sports Networks
Arizona
Detroit
Florida/Sun Sports
Midwest (subfeeds: Indiana, Kansas City)
North
Ohio/SportsTime Ohio
South / Fox Sports Southeast (subfeeds: Carolinas, Tennessee)
Southwest (subfeeds: Oklahoma, New Orleans)
West/Prime Ticket (subfeed: San Diego)
Wisconsin
YES Network (80% equity)
Fox Soccer Plus
Fox College Sports
Fox Deportes
Big Ten Network (49% owned in joint venture with Big Ten Conference)
Fox Sports 1
Fox Sports 2
Speed (North America, excluding U.S.)




National Geographic Channels (in a recent deal with National Geographic)

National Geographic Channel (US) (67%)
National Geographic Channel (International) (50%)
Nat Geo Wild
Nat Geo Mundo



International:

Fox International Channels

Fox International Channels Portugal (100%)
Fox International Channels Philippines (100%)
Fox International Channels Benelux (100%)


LAPTV (Latin America — co-owned with Paramount Pictures/Viacom, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer/MGM Holdings and Universal Studios/NBCUniversal)
Telecine (Brazil — co-owned with Globosat, Paramount Pictures, MGM, Universal Studios and DreamWorks)


They also own in the EU
Sky UK (100%)
Sky Ireland (100%)
Sky Deutschland (100%)
Sky Italia (100%)
Amstrad (100%)

Lastly he owns Star TV in India.


As for digital media he owns IGN (gaming site) and numerous other websites.


Murdoch is really upset that Fox News and his other U.S. outlets are backing Trump instead of slandering him.
He is also one of the biggest backers of U.S. Republican party and UK Conservative party.
He has promised to withhold his money (which he distributes through his companies) this year from the Republicans if they let Trump get the nominations.
He also states that U.S. Republicans are too liberal in their ideology as is the UK Conservatives.


As for the Koch brothers (two of the richest Americans), they own a massive private company that owns companies across the board in the U.S. and Russia.

They fund numerous conservative politicians, conservative SuperPACs, conservative activists, conservative organizations,and conservative programming in the U.S.
They literally fund everything from Rush Limbaugh radio show to Scott Walker (Governor of Wisconsin) to Sarah Palin to Ted Cruz to Jeb Bush to Carl Rove to media outlets such as Breitbart, Citizens United (they've produced many "documentaries"), GOP's mobile game and NRA (they have media arm).


They own numerous radio stations in the U.S., they are in bidding war for Tribunes Publications one of the biggest Newspaper companies across the U.S. If they succeed, they will gain control of the LA Times, Chicago Tribune, San Diego Union-Tribune, The Capital, Baltimore Sun and 40 other smaller newspapers.


They spent almost $1 Billion on the GOP in 2014, 2012, 2010 and 2008. That is almost $1 Billion in each of those years.
They did it through their companies and organizations.
They are the single biggest monetary contributors to U.S. Elections since 2008.

This year they went public and said they will not fund the GOP if they let Trump get the nomination.
They believe that the GOP is too liberal and too leftist in it's ideology and actions.
They have been fighting with the GOP leadership and moderates in the party over how far right to take the party.

So if Trump gets the nomination, the Democrats will have more money to spend than the GOP.

They are also against regulating and punishing Wall Street over the 2008 crash, claiming that is SOCIALISM.
They are also big on getting companies to hire illegal workers and visa holders instead of Americans to full profit growth.

Anyways punishing Wall Street for the 2008 crash would be an act of socialism that would damage the U.S. capitalism for good.

Let them get away with minimal punishment is good for capitalism and the U.S. economy.
We'd still be in a steep recession if the Obama crackdown on the major banks.

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i don't understand your logic of how the government funds abortions. if there were other low-cost service providers available to fill the void left by defunding planned parenthood, i'd be less upset about it. i wouldn't, however, support defunding them, as they've done nothing wrong.

I know who Rupert Murdoch and the Koch brothers are, thanks. I don't have cable TV, I don't even have analogue right now so I don't watch much TV news and the stuff I do is online. I mainly read from news aggregates like Drudge, RCP, and my own on twitter with a wide range from Breitbart to Salon. I read this stuff almost every day, I try to read what the other side is saying all the time. One of my favorite forums to lurk is DemocraticUnderground because understanding people is interesting to me and that's how you win the argument. I don't read the Wall Street Journal articles fwiw because their website has some screwed up subscription model, the same with Forbes. I wouldn't say Fox News is supporting Trump's candidacy, they've been quite nasty to him and were the home of the #NeverTrumps. Donald actually called out Fox News as a biased news source and now that is a lot less trust in it with conservatives than before, their Republican personalities are coming out in support of him as he is the Republican nominee and I don't think anybody thinks Sean Hannity or Bill O'Reilly as 'fair and balanced' as they are obvious partisans. FoxNews still has Bill Kristol, George Will, Charles Krauthammer, and whole bunch of people that hate Trump. Bill Kristol seems shell shocked whenever he's on TV now, it's funny. These neocons calling themselves 'constitutional conservatives' is the funniest s**t I ever heard.

What is hard to understand? You have your money you had before, you want to do two things and the government funds one of them meaning the money aren't spending is going abortions. Pretty simple. You support abortion and the easy access to it, that's the point. Defunding is really not an issue about women's health but just strictly abortion because absolutely you can find other people and organizations to do these things especially when you give them millions every year.

but there is NO government money left over to fund abortions.

I think Planned Parenthood could be leveraged into ending abortion services, either they do it or we can find someone else to fund. I don't think we should fund organizations that preform abortions, I believe that is spirit of the law and what was meant by it. People try to say that abortion is only a small part of what Planned Parenthood does, great so it shouldn't be an issue to end it.

Drudge and his Drudge Report is aligned with interests of the Koch Brothers.
The Koch Brothers also give him money.
Drudge is biased in favor of the GOP Establishment while somehow being openly gay...
A gay that supports the new conservative movement, can't be taken seriously.

RCP is a right wing website devoted to Christian Conservatives and getting them elected. They get Koch money too.
They also spread gossip and rumors to fit their whim.
Salon is Pro Hillary site, which is widely hated by GOP and Sanders supporters aka a pillar of the "liberal media".
Breitbart as I've posted exists to push the GOP establishment narrative.


Websites have the legal right to block anyone who is using adblocker of any sort.
Ads are the biggest source of funding for websites.
Don't worry the GOP is trying to get it adblocker outlawed because it hurts businesses and is bad for capitalism.

But the internet overall is liberal because it was invented for liberal purposes such as science, research, and education.

Conservatism main principles are government tax breaks for big business, tax breaks for outsourcing, Christian values, biblical laws, tax cuts for the rich and supporters, increased government spending on the military and conservative programs, cut funding for education, science, and anything deemed liberal, unregulated capitalism, free trade agreements, antitrust protections for healthcare companies, white power, unregulated outsourcing and hiring of illegal immigrants and visa workers.

Their three biggest pillars are media regulation, outlawing abortion, maximizing profits for companies.

To be a conservative your main news source is Fox News Network, Wall Street Journal, The Hill (website), Politico (website) and Sky Network UK.

All other media outlets and sites are part of the "liberal".

If you don't support the issues listed, then you are dirty liberal.


Neocons are the term liberals and the unhappy GOP members use to discredit the conservative movement.

You aren't conservative... probably never once believed in full conservative ideology.
Conservatives don't watch or read the liberal media ever!! !

If you aren't a conservative that makes you.... can you guess?


The saying goes your with us or against us!

I know what conservative values are, because I come from a family that believes in conservative values to the point of avoiding any media outlet, publication, and website that can have liberal leanings.
They vote for the party of Reagan and Bush II like clock work.

RCP as in RealClearPolitics? That's not biased at all, that's where I get linked to most of the Salon/Slate/NYT etc articles, they're main page of articles are usually one supports one side and then next one supports the other. I like the site, it also has a world news section and policy and bunch of other ones. Accusing news aggregates of bias really doesn't make a lot of sense they come from a diverse range of sources across the ideological divide. People might not like the narrative Drudge pushes but it is still a news aggregate. Is there a viewpoint being shutout? News aggregates aren't commentary, so where is the bias?

Neoconservative are a real ideological movement that have been in the GOP for the last 40-45 years, it relates to their foreign policy which is to give you feel for it would what Lindsay Graham and John McCain believe. They're part time conservatives but want war above all else, look up a list of all the conflicts they have wanted the US to get involved in over the years. Irving Kristol, the father of Bill Kristol, was one founders of it and he Trotskyite in his youth and they left Democratic Party in the 60s with the emergence of the New Left and latched themselves off to the new conservative movement where they piggy backed off Ronald Reagan before finally officially gaining power under George HW Bush and really gaining control under Dubya. The Democrats have almost always been the more pro-war party thru out American history so it is more a abnormality that the roles have been somewhat flipped over the few decades but now it's flipping again with the Republicans becomes more anti-war. Maybe that's just an issue of who is in power but Trump while hard to really nail down ideologically comes more from the Old Right and is somewhat paeleoconservative in the same vein as Pat Buchanan. Anti-war, anti-"free trade", controlling immigration are more the traditions of the old Republican party.

Conservative and liberal are loose terms that really mean what you want them to mean at this point, I've called myself both at times and there is nothing set in stone. They said Trump wasn't conservative but the voters consider themselves the most conservative strongly support Trump which is funny since the liberal Republicans support him as well. It's these middle of the road Chamber of Commerce backed bought and paid for Republicans that most oppose Trump like a Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan who are despised by their own Republican base the same with the Bush family.

The real reason why the Republicans want to do away with Planned Parenthood isn't so much about the abortions, but with the very fact that they figure poor women are getting a free ride for medical care at the tax payer's expense. It has more to do with their contempt for those without.

I'll buy this if you buy the real reason Democrats support Planned Parenthood is because they support eugenics to get rid of undesirable populations as their founder Margret Sanger did, see how easy it is to turn that around?

The thing wrong with your theory is that the Democrats don't support eugenics in this day and age, whereas the Republicans are known for playing up to the resentments of their constituents, whether it's racial in nature, such as brown people taking jobs and outnumbering whites, or if it's about the "takers freeloading" off of the "makers." And in fact, it was conservatives who had wanted to pay blacks to be sterilized at one time.

there are numerous examples of republican politicians slashing benefits for the poor and giving tax breaks to the rich. beside sanger how many pro-choicers can you name who espouse eugenics?