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09 Dec 2016, 8:46 am

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Give me something from a political analyst/scientist, political historian, someone who considered a foremost expert. Someone whom the White House or CIA or Pentagon etc would consult or a place like Harvard would hire as a professor.

How about Oxford Economics?
http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/14/news/ec ... -trillion/

"'President Trump' would cost U.S. economy $1 trillion". OMG how will the US survive!?

Considering the US national debt is $19.5 Trillion, looks like Trump wouldn't be the first US president to lose the nation money. As a matter of fact, the US national debt when Obama took over was $10.6 Trillion. So it nearly doubled whilst he was in office.

So that's $1 Trillion for Trump and $9 Trillion for Obama.

These things always sound bad at face value and are good for shock value. Usually until one looks at the rest of the story.

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Oh by the way, do an internet search on how Obama compares to Hitler or Hillary compares to Hitler or Bush compares to Hitler or the other Clinton compares to Hitler or the other Bush compares to Hitler and behold all the hits you'll get.

Comparing Obama or Clinton to Hitler is ludicrous and stretching the bounds of credibility. We have right wing nutcases in Australia as well who make ill-informed comparisons based on a simple desire to smear the left wing of politics...

Just Obama and Clinton huh? This is the problem for those who adhere to a very subjective one sided viewpoint.

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09 Dec 2016, 10:39 pm

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Oh, no, the old Saxons in northern Germany remained German, as did the Austrasian (eastern kingdom) Franks of western and southern Germany. It was the Neustrian (new kingdom) Franks in France and Wallonia in Belgium who became Latinized in language and culture. It should be pointed out, Charlemagne was born in the German speaking region of Belgium, making him an eastern Frank. The language he spoke was German, probably of a middle Franconian dialect, and the personal name by which he was called was not Charlemagne, but Karl, or if you will, Karl der Grosse (Karl the great). Linguistically and even culturally, there wouldn't have been a great gulf between the Saxons and the Franks of Charlemagne's time.

Ahh yes, I mean't the Saxons who found themselves on the Gaelic side of the border, yes, those who remained in Germany culturally retained the old ways (except of course religion)

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09 Dec 2016, 10:45 pm

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Considering the US national debt is $19.5 Trillion, looks like Trump wouldn't be the first US president to lose the nation money. As a matter of fact, the US national debt when Obama took over was $10.6 Trillion. So it nearly doubled whilst he was in office. So that's $1 Trillion for Trump and $9 Trillion for Obama. .

Obama was actually advised to increase spending to kick start the US economy which would otherwise have remained in recession. Obamacare is providing universal healthcare which along with universal education is a standard in most developed countries (except in the minds of conservative republicans)

Lets not kid ourselves that a republican leader wouldn't have done the same thing to use a fiscal stimulus to avoid exposure to the GFC

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12 Dec 2016, 8:35 am

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I see so the national debt nearly doubling during Obama's presidency was a good thing. While the prediction that Trump will add another 10% to that is supposed to be a disaster for the nation.

Obamacare took away people's free employer provided health insurance that had a very low deductible or copay and as much as 80% coverage, and replaced it with something that costs at least $200 per month per person, has a $10,000 deductible and offers like 40% coverage.

All of this, nearly $10 trillion extra debt and sticking everyone with a mandatory universal healthcare plan that sucks to high heaven is all supposed to be viewed as the altruistic wonderfulness of Obama and the DNC. The truth is it's so incredibly bad, people decided Donald effing Trump was a better choice over more Democrat government.

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13 Dec 2016, 10:52 am

Firstly, why are people ridiculing people for calling Georgeo Bush and Obama a tyrant?

Obama was a tyrant, and George Bush was a tyrant. Trying to claim they aren't tyrants Seems like binary godworship, my god is better than your god, left vs. right, kid's stuff.

Trump is like admiral Tarkin, he wants to pick a brute an enforcer, he think he can hold Vader's leash. Trump wants to take the Death Star to ISIS. Trump didn't pick him yet there are 5 others he is thinking about. Why are you guilting Trump for someone he didn't pick yet?

The majority of black people are transphobic, so odds are against Trump in picking a staff member who isn't a bigot. And it seems that black people like to use Walt Heyer as their "go to guy" for information about transpeople, since Walt Heyer used to be trans. Walt is still a quack though. And before you call me racist I am half-black, and I know for a fact how black people are, they are as bigoted as whites but also more closeminded than whites.

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13 Dec 2016, 11:36 am

Please try not to generalize though - to an extent you may be right due to cultural upbringing but there are many blacks who are open minded, for example Phumzile van Damme, one of my country's most dedicated and respected MPs, and numerous others in our country.

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13 Dec 2016, 12:27 pm

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Not to mention our current President, Barack Obama, who is one of the most tolerant people in public life.

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13 Dec 2016, 12:35 pm

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It seems like anyone and everyone Trump might consider for anything is supposed to be terrifying.

Terrifying or at the very least terrible picks for the jobs he's appointing them...For instance not sure how someone who outright denies climate change is a good person to be head of the environmental department or whatever, but that didn't stop trump picking someone like that.

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13 Dec 2016, 5:31 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

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Not to mention our current President, Barack Obama, who is one of the most tolerant people in public life.

Tolerant to whatever views get him elected, as all corrupt politicians are.

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13 Dec 2016, 5:33 pm

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It seems like anyone and everyone Trump might consider for anything is supposed to be terrifying.

He specifically selected someone like that so he could build more factories to make America Great Again.

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13 Dec 2016, 6:18 pm

lordoflegions wrote:

The majority of black people are transphobic.

The majority of "people" are transphobic...there is no shock horror in revealing black people share the same stigma over trans that the rest of America currently do.

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I am half-black, and I know for a fact how black people are, they are as bigoted as whites but also more closeminded than whites.

If you are referring to homophobia and black people then again this is a misconception to think white Americans are any more enlightened. This is a myth.
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13 Dec 2016, 7:40 pm

lordoflegions wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

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Not to mention our current President, Barack Obama, who is one of the most tolerant people in public life.

Tolerant to whatever views get him elected, as all corrupt politicians are.

Taking steps for gay and trans rights was more often than not contrary to public opinion, and so was hardly a means to get himself elected. If Obama is corrupt, he's far less corrupt than most other politicians.

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14 Dec 2016, 5:26 pm

cyberdad wrote:

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The majority of black people are transphobic.

The majority of "people" are transphobic...there is no shock horror in revealing black people share the same stigma over trans that the rest of America currently do.

lordoflegions wrote:

I am half-black, and I know for a fact how black people are, they are as bigoted as whites but also more closeminded than whites.

American "blacks" have white blood. They aren't true blacks. The 100% Negro is in africa stoning people to death for being gay.

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14 Dec 2016, 5:46 pm

lordoflegions wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

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The majority of black people are transphobic.

The majority of "people" are transphobic...there is no shock horror in revealing black people share the same stigma over trans that the rest of America currently do.

lordoflegions wrote:

I am half-black, and I know for a fact how black people are, they are as bigoted as whites but also more closeminded than whites.

American "blacks" have white blood. They aren't true blacks. The 100% Negro is in africa stoning people to death for being gay.

Yes, and many white southerners have black blood.

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15 Dec 2016, 1:01 am

lordoflegions wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

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The majority of black people are transphobic.

The majority of "people" are transphobic...there is no shock horror in revealing black people share the same stigma over trans that the rest of America currently do.

lordoflegions wrote:

I am half-black, and I know for a fact how black people are, they are as bigoted as whites but also more closeminded than whites.

American "blacks" have white blood. They aren't true blacks. The 100% Negro is in africa stoning people to death for being gay.

I don't dispute your assertion about cross gene transfer across ethnic groups, but trans people are shunned in 100% white nordic communities in regional Norway as well. There may be a bio-cultural basis in that people who don't fit into gender identity threaten "perceived" social fabric of the group (threatening survival) and this crosses ethnic boundaries.

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15 Dec 2016, 9:32 am

Sweetleaf wrote:

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It seems like anyone and everyone Trump might consider for anything is supposed to be terrifying.

Well what I'm saying is I can foresee anyone Trump picks as being seen the wrong person. That's just the way it must be viewed if one wants to stick to being a leftist. That's why I'll never wholly commit myself to either the right or left.

And I like the way denying climate change seems similar to denying Jesus to Christians. Actually as I understand it, it's not denying climate change, but rather that it's entirely man made. George Carlin does a pretty funny routine on how the Earth has survived for billions of years and mankind has the ego to think they can destroy it with a couple of centuries of industry. I think he makes a good point and I can't imagine anyone calling him conservative or ignorant. He's just not indoctrinated.

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