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24 Mar 2017, 3:35 pm

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I think its really tough for those in Flint, Michigan so many people live in massive poverty. I don't think we can really ask them to move, its no so simple.

I know. I feel bad for them. There's the familiar path of blame that they shot themselves in the foot with the union wage demands of the last century. They made outrageous money back in the "day."

Thing is somethings just suck, but it doesn't mean they're going to change. No one can bring the old jobs back to those people. Personally, I think the future is in technology, specifically internet communications. Because it allows people to work from any location. But they will have to learn the skills. I think the best a leader could do for them is to invest in and encourage this retraining.
Whining about it decade after decade and then taking the word of someone like Trump to solve the problem is desperation. Again, I realize the situation sucks, but there's no point standing still and complaining.
Around 1 million jobs can still be brought back. The question is what would you have done in their shoes?



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24 Mar 2017, 3:47 pm

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I think its really tough for those in Flint, Michigan so many people live in massive poverty. I don't think we can really ask them to move, its no so simple.

I know. I feel bad for them. There's the familiar path of blame that they shot themselves in the foot with the union wage demands of the last century. They made outrageous money back in the "day."

Thing is somethings just suck, but it doesn't mean they're going to change. No one can bring the old jobs back to those people. Personally, I think the future is in technology, specifically internet communications. Because it allows people to work from any location. But they will have to learn the skills. I think the best a leader could do for them is to invest in and encourage this retraining.
Whining about it decade after decade and then taking the word of someone like Trump to solve the problem is desperation. Again, I realize the situation sucks, but there's no point standing still and complaining.
Around 1 million jobs can still be brought back. The question is what would you have done in their shoes?


If I was an American? I would have voted for Clinton and moved to California.



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24 Mar 2017, 3:51 pm

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...the problem is that Trump is incompetent as a president, and this should have been obvious prior to voting.


There you go, again, with your blanket statements!! How can he be an incompetent president, when he's only been president for a minute? You have said a couple of times that you feel "there's no need to throw the baby out with the bathwater" (http://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=331703&start=30 is one example), and it's too bad you can't think that way, BEFORE you bash our president. I mean, it's not like you're just making a comment, here-and-there, on other people's threads----there, for awhile, it seemed like every other day, you were STARTING a thread that would, again, passive-aggressively put us down, by putting down our president.

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... substantiated Trumps claim of "wiretapping" ...

I really can't take you guys very seriously. This claim has been shown to have been false...

WHERE?!?! You mean like you showed it to be false in your own quote?

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Nunes said he received the new intelligence information after that hearing. He said it revealed that Trump’s transition associates — and perhaps Trump himself — had their communications picked up through legal surveillance.

The quote above says that:

Nunes became aware that Trump and his associates were caught in legal surveillance (we still don't know what they were caught doing, but Nunes seemed to think Trump would be interested.)

No, no----"caught" is YOUR word, which, intentionally, makes it sound like President Trump and / or his people were doing something nefarious.

How does this translate into:

Obama wiretapped Trump.

Because "wiretapped" is a form of surveillance----and, again, if someone's administration does something, then that person is responsible.

I think you are making your error because you are equating the existence of surveillance information about Trump with Obama having wiretapped him. This is probably a result of Trump's saying that what he meant by "Obama wiretapped me" was actually "I was caught up in a legal surveillance." The Trump Alternative Fact translation, I guess.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm doing----but, I don't believe it's an error; and, what I believe is not a result of President Trump saying what you said he did, because I don't think I've ever heard him say that.

But anyway, that Trump and his associates were dealing with people who were under a legal investigation is bad news for Trump. It begs the question of why.

Why is it bad news, for President Trump? When an investigation is conducted, it's because someone thinks something MIGHT be going-on----since, AFAIK, the investigation isn't finished, yet, it couldn't possibly be bad news, cuz there is NO news, yet.





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24 Mar 2017, 3:52 pm

androbot01 wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
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I think its really tough for those in Flint, Michigan so many people live in massive poverty. I don't think we can really ask them to move, its no so simple.

I know. I feel bad for them. There's the familiar path of blame that they shot themselves in the foot with the union wage demands of the last century. They made outrageous money back in the "day."

Thing is somethings just suck, but it doesn't mean they're going to change. No one can bring the old jobs back to those people. Personally, I think the future is in technology, specifically internet communications. Because it allows people to work from any location. But they will have to learn the skills. I think the best a leader could do for them is to invest in and encourage this retraining.
Whining about it decade after decade and then taking the word of someone like Trump to solve the problem is desperation. Again, I realize the situation sucks, but there's no point standing still and complaining.
Around 1 million jobs can still be brought back. The question is what would you have done in their shoes?


If I was an American? I would have voted for Clinton and moved to California.
How would you afford it?

I am not sure if these questions have easy answers.



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24 Mar 2017, 4:01 pm

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androbot01 wrote:
...the problem is that Trump is incompetent as a president, and this should have been obvious prior to voting.


There you go, again, with your blanket statements!! How can he be an incompetent president, when he's only been president for a minute? You have said a couple of times that you feel "there's no need to throw the baby out with the bathwater" (http://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=331703&start=30 is one example), and it's too bad you can't think that way, BEFORE you bash our president. I mean, it's not like you're just making a comment, here-and-there, on other people's threads----there, for awhile, it seemed like every other day, you were STARTING a thread that would, again, passive-aggressively put us down, by putting down our president.

androbot01 wrote:
Campin_Cat wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
... substantiated Trumps claim of "wiretapping" ...

I really can't take you guys very seriously. This claim has been shown to have been false...

WHERE?!?! You mean like you showed it to be false in your own quote?

androbot01 and Campin_Cat wrote:
Quote:
Nunes said he received the new intelligence information after that hearing. He said it revealed that Trump’s transition associates — and perhaps Trump himself — had their communications picked up through legal surveillance.

The quote above says that:

Nunes became aware that Trump and his associates were caught in legal surveillance (we still don't know what they were caught doing, but Nunes seemed to think Trump would be interested.)

No, no----"caught" is YOUR word, which, intentionally, makes it sound like President Trump and / or his people were doing something nefarious.

How does this translate into:

Obama wiretapped Trump.

Because "wiretapped" is a form of surveillance----and, again, if someone's administration does something, then that person is responsible.

I think you are making your error because you are equating the existence of surveillance information about Trump with Obama having wiretapped him. This is probably a result of Trump's saying that what he meant by "Obama wiretapped me" was actually "I was caught up in a legal surveillance." The Trump Alternative Fact translation, I guess.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm doing----but, I don't believe it's an error; and, what I believe is not a result of President Trump saying what you said he did, because I don't think I've ever heard him say that.

But anyway, that Trump and his associates were dealing with people who were under a legal investigation is bad news for Trump. It begs the question of why.

Why is it bad news, for President Trump? When an investigation is conducted, it's because someone thinks something MIGHT be going-on----since, AFAIK, the investigation isn't finished, yet, it couldn't possibly be bad news, cuz there is NO news, yet.


Man Campin Cat do you just enjoy the drama here? I am beginning to wonder.

I don't think Androbot is aiming to put down Americans. She has always been fixated on the news. I do wonder why however.



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24 Mar 2017, 4:02 pm

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I mean, it's not like you're just making a comment, here-and-there, on other people's threads----there, for awhile, it seemed like every other day, you were STARTING a thread that would, again, passive-aggressively put us down, by putting down our president.

It is your thinking that I am putting you down by putting down your president, not mine. I am putting down Trump for reasons already stated. The link with your country is yours, not mine.



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24 Mar 2017, 4:07 pm

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I do wonder why however.

Not sure, just one of those things. When I was a kid I would get up and watch Meet the Press on Sunday mornings while my Mom slept in.



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24 Mar 2017, 4:11 pm

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I do wonder why however.

Not sure, just one of those things. When I was a kid I would get up and watch Meet the Press on Sunday mornings while my Mom slept in.

Mind if I ask what was it like back then?



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24 Mar 2017, 4:15 pm

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I do wonder why however.

Not sure, just one of those things. When I was a kid I would get up and watch Meet the Press on Sunday mornings while my Mom slept in.

Mind if I ask what was it like back then?

You can ask, but the answer is pretty big. I'll just say it was different from now.



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24 Mar 2017, 4:26 pm

One difference between, say, the 1970s, and today, is that "breaking news" took a few hours to get disseminated, rather than mere seconds now.

Another difference is that kids were allowed to wander off, go basically anywhere after the age of 9-10 or so--but they had to be home for dinner!

Obviously, prices were lower.

Until the early 70's, for example, one could get a bag of potato chips and a can of soda (pop) for 25 cents (a quarter).

LOL.....Can't say I was smart enough to watch "Meet the Press" as a child. I watched cartoons instead.



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24 Mar 2017, 4:26 pm

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I do wonder why however.

Not sure, just one of those things. When I was a kid I would get up and watch Meet the Press on Sunday mornings while my Mom slept in.

Mind if I ask what was it like back then?

You can ask, but the answer is pretty big. I'll just say it was different from now.

Lol all my questions are big, just who I am.



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24 Mar 2017, 4:38 pm

Another significant difference is that we couldn't buy phones in the 1970s. We had to rent them from the telephone company. Most of the time, the telephone company had to install the phones. One couldn't take the phones out of the room where they were installed. "Long distance calls" were a big deal, and caused people to have to be quiet--because they were so expensive.

I forgot to mention: touch-tone existed, but were expensive until the 1980s. Most people used dial phones (now called rotary phones) then.

There were no CD's in the 1970s. What are called "vinyls" now were called "records" then. We played them on a "record player" which is now call a "turntable."

Up until the late 70s, there were no video game arcades. The arcades had pinball machines instead. And VCR's didn't become affordable for the average person until around 1981-1982 or so. A few had 40 pound Betamaxes in the late 1970s; they cost $2,000 US dollars.

Kids didn't carry their books in bookbags in the 1970s. They carried them in their arms (or rarely, a briefcase. You were considered a nerd if you carried books in a briefcase). The boys had one way of carrying books--the girls another way.

What is called a "binder" now was called a "loose leaf" or a "loose-leaf notebook" in the 1970s.



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24 Mar 2017, 4:40 pm

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Lol all my questions are big, just who I am.

The Devil's in the details. ;)



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24 Mar 2017, 4:48 pm

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I think it is very shocking that someone who promised to deport millions of people was elected...

What's shocking is that people keep conflating ILLEGAL immigrants with LEGAL residents. If you've got a green card and / or a visa, or whatever, you're good-to-go. If, however, the only way your boat made it to Florida, was because you had the sense to bring buckets, to bail-out the boat when it took-on water, then you need to go back, HOME!!

If part of the reason you were unable to obtain work, was because so many of these ILLEGAL people were taking the jobs, wouldn't you think that getting rid of them, was a good idea? And, please don't say that if they're illegal, they wouldn't be able to get a "proper" job, cuz there's always somebody, somewhere, willing to SELL you fake paperwork----all you have to do, is hop a bus, downtown; I even saw an ad on Craig's List, recently.




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24 Mar 2017, 4:52 pm

androbot01 wrote:
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Lol all my questions are big, just who I am.

The Devil's in the details. ;)
Huh?



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24 Mar 2017, 4:57 pm

Ann's being coy LOL.